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Teens + reloads

  • Like to see teens build reloads.

  • Dont like to see teens build reloads.


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Do you approve or disapprove of a person under 18 years of age building a reloadable motor (lets say a G64 in a 29/40-120 case) what are your thoughts on it?

I dont want this thread to turn into a "demanding younger certification" thread so dont talk about legal issues or anything like that. JUST YOUR OPINION on if you do or dont like to see teen build reloads.
 
i'd like to see it, but an adult present for the first one or two loads would be nice. i've heard of plenty of adults forgetting ejection charges and stuff lol
 
There is no one answer. some teens I would let Build reloads no questions asked, there are some teens I would not let them use a toothbrush without adult supervision.

BUT if they could pass a simple "idiot proof" test I see no harm in it.
 
Up through mid power, sure, why not.

My son loaded 18mm and 24mm motors when he was a preteen. He also cleaned them afterwards. Of course I may have been watching a little closer than I let on:wink:.
 
It depends a lot on the specific teenager in question.

I've seen 13 year olds who were more mature than most 19 year olds.

I've also seen 16 year olds who would think it was funny to grab their buddy's motor, while they're not looking, and dump out the ejection charge, then replace the cap.

-Kevin
 
It depends a lot on the specific teenager in question.

I've seen 13 year olds who were more mature than most 19 year olds.

I've also seen 16 year olds who would think it was funny to grab their buddy's motor, while they're not looking, and dump out the ejection charge, then replace the cap.

-Kevin

That's just good, clean fun.

I would volunteer our resident teen working on the MLAS project to build any motor before I'd volunteer myself.

It really does depend on an individual basis. I wasnt even 17 yet and I was pulling 6-8 show horses in a 45' gooseneck behind a business class truck with a split gearbox. I wouldn't trust most adults I know towing a U-Haul trailer let alone a horse.
 
Ive heard some people say that anyone under 18 should stick to single use motors. I thought that was kind of BS. The polls say that some people still dont like to see teens do it. But they have not made the argument yet...
 
Ive heard some people say that anyone under 18 should stick to single use motors. I thought that was kind of BS. The polls say that some people still dont like to see teens do it. But they have not made the argument yet...
The poll only has two choices, a flat yes or no. Throw in "under supervision", or "based on maturity level" or similar weighted choices, and you'd likely see the negatives disappear.
 
This is similar to asking, "Should minors be allowed to shoot firearms or drive a car". It really comes down to minor. In some cases it is "ok, with responsible adult supervision" and in others it would be "NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT!".

This is more of a "wisdom" issue, with a number of factors going into the decision mix.

But going back to Batch's question, what is the motivation for the poll?

Greg
 
Ive heard some people say that anyone under 18 should stick to single use motors. I thought that was kind of BS. The polls say that some people still dont like to see teens do it. But they have not made the argument yet...

You and others may think it's BS....but the CPSC and NFPA 1122 both prohibit minors under 18 from purchasing or using reloadables , and they both don't say anything about "with adult supervision.:.

Aerotech was enjoined back in 1993 by the CPSC from selling reloads to minors and agreed with the CPSC that they would voluntarily enforce the sale or purchase of reloads to adults only. Of course we all know that was BS.

and then there is the NAR's own Junior HPR program which allows minors to use "with adult supervision" HPR reloads, again contrary to CPSC and NFPA 1122. I guess this is why Kevin saw so many teens using reloads at TARC.

I personally have been in numerous hobby shops around the country where reload kits were readily available to anybody that had the money with no questions asked as to the purchaser's age.

See CPSC 1500.85 for the federal definition of what a model rocket engine is or is not. And NFPA 1122 Chapter 5 Prohibited activities, #10 and #11 and read the attached especially the last paragraph closely.

I might add that I personally have no problem with teens using model rocket or HPR reloads with adult supervision.

Terry Dean

View attachment 004379-004377-cpsc_letter_11-5-93.pdf
 
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i'd like to see it, but an adult present for the first one or two loads would be nice. i've heard of plenty of adults forgetting ejection charges and stuff lol

There were an awful lot of teens flying reloads at the TARC finals.

2 years ago I mentored a Tarc team with 2 "special" students on it. I was able to teach them to assemble a reload without problems. As long as an adult supervises them for the first few times I have no problems with teens and reloads
 
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I flew an H242T in a 38/240 two weeks after i turned 15, and i fly about 30-45 reloads a year, only thing close to a failure was a motor ripping through a postal tube motor mount in a priority mail saucer (art applewhite) that did so at the end of a 4 second burn. that being said, it does depend on the individual. i mean i get mad anytime i make a small mistake on building even a MMX rocket, so building reloads i take my time and do it right to make sure it comes back almost as nice as when it went up. also i had the HPR gurus looking over me so i dared not make a mistake :rofl:
 
At one of the TARC sessions recently, I was chatting with Ken Allen at his trailer when one of the teams (4 teenagers) came to Ken because they couldn't get the igniter through the nozzle of the SU motor they had. Seems that the propellant had swollen shut. Since I knew that Ken had a crapload of 29/40-120 reloads in his stock, I suggested that the kids buy a reload from Ken and I would teach them how to assemble a hobbyline casing. I was putting a lot of faith in both my teaching skills, and their listening skills, as I offered my casing for them to use.

They sat down at my staging blanket and patiently listened and watched as I laid out the parts of the reload as they would be installed in the motor. I explained the use of Vaseline on the O-rings and the threads, and why it's good to stuff a small piece of wadding under the red cap that covers the ejection charge. I laid out the tools necessary to perform the work, that being a knife, tape and paper towels.

Then I sat back and watched quietly as they assembled the motor. Their only question came when they were tightening the aft closure. There was a slight gap between the casing and the closure, no more than 1/16", but they wanted to know if they needed a wrench other than the paper towel they had used. I showed them where in the instructions it mentions that a slight gap was normal, and they finished up with the ejection charge plus wadding, the copperhead, and the red caps. I showed them the trick of using the reload hang tag to make a shield for the clips onto the copperhead, and they went to load the motor into their rocket.

I informed the RSO that a TARC team was using my hobbyline case and that I oversaw the assembly, and he was OK with that. After a successful flight, they cleaned out the casing, and gave it back to me, each of them taking time to thank me for my help.

I would be comfortable with any one of those kids assembling a reload.

G.D.
 
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It would be a bad idea to let me assemble an aerotech motor. I'd benefit from a teen supervising me :confused:

99% of the motors I've flown were snap ring or CTI motors.
 
I dont feel any teen should be allowed to handle anything involving motors. Or rockets for that matter. They just dont have the maturity....period.

Ben
 
I dont feel any teen should be allowed to handle anything involving motors. Or rockets for that matter. They just dont have the maturity....period.

Ben

And i belive that all teens should not do anything that involves anything dangerous. Like eating, sleeping, reading, walking, breathing, running, skipping, throwing, jumping, crying, and doing anything in general. Actually teens should be illegal and should be thrown in dungeons with soft walls so they cant hurt themselves. :wink: (wink = sarcasm)
 
I dont feel any teen should be allowed to handle anything involving motors. Or rockets for that matter. They just dont have the maturity....period.

Ben

There are select teens that have doctorate degrees because they are mature and quite brilliant. Most adults don't have the maturity properly sit through a doctorate program. I think "any" is a little strong...
 
I dont feel any teen should be allowed to handle anything involving motors. Or rockets for that matter. They just dont have the maturity....period.

Ben

I am insulted. I have had multiple successful flights on my 29/40-120 case. I also have been flying Estes for YEARS without a failure.
 
There are select teens that have doctorate degrees because they are mature and quite brilliant. Most adults don't have the maturity properly sit through a doctorate program. I think "any" is a little strong...

I am insulted. I have had multiple successful flights on my 29/40-120 case. I also have been flying Estes for YEARS without a failure.

you guys dont know me do you?
 
I would say it depends. I know people who I would have trusted to build pretty much any motor before they were 18. On the other side of the spectrum, there's ben...
 
this could get ugly, and if it does, IBTL.


I really see no point in this thread, and I won't even comment what I'm thinking.



Braden
 
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