My New Loki Case Stolen....

Thieves suck... I hope things get worked out, and the thief gets what he deserves (say forced withdrawal from whatever they're on).

watheyak said:

I ordered a Loki 54/2800 motor case from Ted at OneBadHawk. Unfortunately it was my first instance of having a package stolen off my doorstep. All caught on my Ring doorbell...



It was posted in the Ring Neighborhood group. Other neighbors have seen the truck, it's pretty distinctive.

I wanted to lose that case in the middle of the desert, not off my porch!

There wasn't any insurance on the package and I didn't expect there to be. Any advice on what I can do at this at this point would be appreciated. I've already reached out to Ted to order another.

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Find that guy and buy it back. He'll sell it to you for pennies on the dollar, way cheaper than a new one. Or...You can rely on the Government to resolve the issue for you (good luck). Unfortunately that's the world we live in

Glasspack said:

Clearly this guy is a Douche Bag !View attachment 408203

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Too lazy to pull his ski mask down

Steve Shannon said:

Last week my wife and I arrived home at midnight to find that our mailman had placed two packages on the front step AND moved our garbage and recycle bins so they would block visibility of the boxes. He takes good care of us.

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Mine are similar !! When I was ordering gallons of resin my UPS drive would carry them around back to the shop and put them inside for me if I was not there. My regular USPS guy is just as good.

TimothyG said:

First rule is never talk about something you did firearm related you aren’t 100% certain was, and is easy to prove, done legally.

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I mash the LIKE button on this!

TimothyG said:

I was a dealer getting my gun mailed back directly from original manufacturer. I fell under multiple exemptions at the same time. Most of my adult jobs have centered around firearms. First rule is never talk about something you did firearm related you aren’t 100% certain was, and is easy to prove, done legally.

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Second rule is for others to not put on a junior G man badge by saying that someone else did something illegal. [emoji41]

Wallace said:

Find that guy and buy it back. He'll sell it to you for pennies on the dollar, way cheaper than a new one. Or...You can rely on the Government to resolve the issue for you (good luck). Unfortunately that's the world we live in

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You know that's a really good point..
I'd bet you if you could find him with the case he'd sell it to you for $50, easily, maybe less..

ThreeJsDad said:

Mine are similar !! When I was ordering gallons of resin my UPS drive would carry them around back to the shop and put them inside for me if I was not there. My regular USPS guy is just as good.

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My UPS man as well..
He brings boxes around back to the garage and goes inside my garage to put them in where they'll be safe from weather and all..
Super nice of him, and I'm quite sure his superiors would frown on this if they knew about it..

This thread has been quite the ride.

I've only ever had one package stolen off my porch. Luckily it was just a Russel Stover Halloween candy package sent to my kids from Grandma, but it was infuriating to say the least. I don't have any cameras outside (I probably should get some, just haven't gotten around to it), but I did give some thought to those fake bait packages full of glitter, fart spray, etc. The problem with those is you run the risk of either it going off on the wrong person (say some little kid who is too young to know better grabs it) or the thief gets somehow injured and lawyers up against you. It's like that story of the burglar who successfully sued a homeowner because the backyard fence was "unsafe to climb over" and caused injury. It's stupid and unfair, but if you have a glitter bomb get a speck in the thief's eye and it gets infected, you could be paying for it.

As an alternative, I thought about making an irritating and nearly indestructible alarm that cannot be turned off. Essentially, it would be a 3 or 4 inch wide steel pipe with one cap welded on, a wooden clothespin with wires attached to the inside of the jaws, a car horn, a battery pack and a second pipe cap. A length of fishing line goes through a tiny hole in the side of the pipe and leads to a piece of cardboard/plastic/whatever to break the connection in the clothespin jaws, which is wired to the battery pack and horn in a regular circuit. With everything inside, the second cap is drilled with numerous holes at steep angles so it wouldn't be possible to poke a screwdriver or anything into the pipe to try to damage the horn, and then screwed on with a generous coating of JB Weld on the pipe threads. The pipe is placed into the bait box and the fishing line is attached to a flap of the box lid. Once the thief opens the box, the fishing line pulls the insulator piece out of the clothespin which closes the circuit and the horn won't stop until the whole thing is completely destroyed or the batteries die. To figure out who the thief is, just wander your neighborhood listening for the continuous honk and cussing coming from inside.

Still, that doesn't actually STOP a thief. To that end, there are products available on Amazon that are locking boxes and even reinforced canvas bags that packages can be put inside of which lock when closed, are anchored to your house, and while aren't as secure as a safe or gun cabinet, they're something that would require significant tools and time to break into. Just be mindful about ordering one; you wouldn't want to get your new package locker delivered and then subsequently stolen. That kind of irony puts folks into mental facilities.

TimothyG said:

I was a dealer getting my gun mailed back directly from original manufacturer. I fell under multiple exemptions at the same time. Most of my adult jobs have centered around firearms. First rule is never talk about something you did firearm related you aren’t 100% certain was, and is easy to prove, done legally.

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That's a good policy. I was really surprised when I found out that most of us can't legally mail a handgun, and even those who can must file an affidavit every time. I've shipped Curio & Relic guns legally (with a C&R FFL), and have had long guns shipped to me. When I was buying surplus ammo for my Garands, the UPS guy was not a fan. Same when I used to buy .45 by the case. He hated shlepping those small heavy boxes in the Texas heat.

The 100% easy to prove part is important, there are certain 'modern' handguns that fall under the C&R exemption, but the average postal worker is just going to assume they are prohibited. A lot easier to ship it common carrier.

Fortunately for me, whenever my employees saw a long skinny box, they assumed it was rocket parts. They did not know I was getting a rifle through the mail. Worked out well.


Tony

manixFan said:

Fortunately for me, whenever my employees saw a long skinny box, they assumed it was rocket parts. They did not know I was getting a rifle through the mail. Worked out well.

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Cool . . . So, now Browning, Remington, Ruger, Winchester, & Weatherby are making rocket parts . . . LOL !

Dave F.

manixFan said:

That's a good policy. I was really surprised when I found out that most of us can't legally mail a handgun, and even those who can must file an affidavit every time. I've shipped Curio & Relic guns legally (with a C&R FFL), and have had long guns shipped to me. When I was buying surplus ammo for my Garands, the UPS guy was not a fan. Same when I used to buy .45 by the case. He hated shlepping those small heavy boxes in the Texas heat.

The 100% easy to prove part is important, there are certain 'modern' handguns that fall under the C&R exemption, but the average postal worker is just going to assume they are prohibited. A lot easier to ship it common carrier.

Fortunately for me, whenever my employees saw a long skinny box, they assumed it was rocket parts. They did not know I was getting a rifle through the mail. Worked out well.


Tony

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Anybody can legally mail firearms. There are tons of exceptions and loopholes. This is a link to a very general overview and you should always check your individual state and county laws. https://www.pewpewtactical.com/how-to-mail-guns/
I have frequently mailed personal firearms using a variety of the listed methods on the attached link. My case was a personal gun being mailed to the manufacturer for modifications and then back to me. Many people don’t realize how many exemptions exist in our countries laws.

TimothyG said:

Anybody can legally mail firearms. There are tons of exceptions and loopholes. This is a link to a very general overview and you should always check your individual state and county laws. https://www.pewpewtactical.com/how-to-mail-guns/
I have frequently mailed personal firearms using a variety of the listed methods on the attached link. My case was a personal gun being mailed to the manufacturer for modifications and then back to me. Many people don’t realize how many exemptions exist in our countries laws.

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When you say mail, I take that to mean using the US Post Office. The word mail is not the same as the word ship in this context, even though the post office uses them interchangeably. From the website you linked to:

"However, nonlicensed individuals cannot ship handguns or other “firearms capable of being concealed on the person.” Even if you’re shipping the handgun to an FFL holder, you will have to ship it through a contract carrier. The USPS will ship handguns only for official government, military and law enforcement agencies."

So, according to that you can't legally mail a gun, even to an FFL holder, unless you are an exempted person or agency. The vast majority of us do not meet those requirements.

I personally prefer to go to the source:

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm

(Lists exemptions like law enforcement officers, night watchmen, armed services members, etc.)

and

"The mailer must be a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer mailing to another licensed manufacturer, importer, or firearms dealer."

There are other ways to easily ship handguns other than the USPS, which I have had to do from time to time. Screwing with the Post Office literally becomes a federal offense. Seems like a silly risk to take.


Tony

Major manufacturers can issue a return label for a handgun that is in essence them mailing the gun to themselves as far as the post office is concerned. The manufacturer of my pistol issued a return label which had to be used by me at the local hub not a general post office. I then received the pistol after repairs at my home address. It’s weird but again legal and allowed by at the time state and federal law. Since doing this the location I sent the pistol has had state level law changes that made things slightly more complicated. But learning the new loopholes took a week or so.

edited to add no screwing with the post office took place. Regardless of who you send through the firearms must be declared. I honestly don’t know how to screw with the post office. I just know how to read their rules as they are written and follow them to the letter.

This off-topic part of mailing/shipping firearms has been informative. I thought shipping any firearm required FFL to FFL and only UPS/FedEx/etc and USPS wasn't allowed for any reason. I have a long-gun that I need to get repaired due to a faulty bolt and have been holding off because I didn't want to pay all the FFL transfer fees. Every FFL I talked to would charge $40 or more just to touch it.

heada said:

This off-topic part of mailing/shipping firearms has been informative. I thought shipping any firearm required FFL to FFL and only UPS/FedEx/etc and USPS wasn't allowed for any reason. I have a long-gun that I need to get repaired due to a faulty bolt and have been holding off because I didn't want to pay all the FFL transfer fees. Every FFL I talked to would charge $40 or more just to touch it.

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Why don't ya ask the person / dealer/ gunsmith you're mailing the long gun too..
They should be able to help you get it mailed / shipped without simply throwing money at the shipping..

Teddy

heada said:

This off-topic part of mailing/shipping firearms has been informative. I thought shipping any firearm required FFL to FFL and only UPS/FedEx/etc and USPS wasn't allowed for any reason. I have a long-gun that I need to get repaired due to a faulty bolt and have been holding off because I didn't want to pay all the FFL transfer fees. Every FFL I talked to would charge $40 or more just to touch it.

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Shipping intra-state vs inter-state is very different. Once you cross borders it becomes a federal issue. Same reason I can sell a handgun to buyer in TX without any kind of paperwork but drive across state lines and it's 'inter-state' commerce, subject to federal law. Shipping long-arms falls under different rules than handguns. And FFL transfer fees should not be more than $20, but maybe that's just due to the competitive nature of being in Texas.

From the USPS link: "Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when intended for delivery within the same state of mailing"

and

"Rifles and shotguns may be mailed by a non-FFL owner domestically to a FFL dealer, manufacturer, or importer in any state."

So you can legally mail it to an FFL holder in another state, and the recipient would pay the FFL transfer fee (if any) when they pick it up. If you are shipping it to a licensed manufacturer or gun shop, you can do that directly.

And in a somewhat strange state-to-state exemption, I can mail a shotgun or rifle to myself from Texas to South Dakota (or my state of residence to another state) if I am going to use it personally for hunting while I am there.

TimothyG said:

....<snipped>... But learning the new loopholes took a week or so.

edited to add no screwing with the post office took place. Regardless of who you send through the firearms must be declared. I honestly don’t know how to screw with the post office. I just know how to read their rules as they are written and follow them to the letter.

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Maybe it's my interpretation of your use of the word 'loophole'. Following their rules and regulations to me isn't a loophole, it's doing what the regs intended. I took your use of the word 'loophole' to imply you could skirt around the regs, evading their intended meaning. You did not use a loophole to ship your firearm, you did so by following the letter of their regs. Call it semantics, but I prefer precision when federal statutes are at stake.

I have shipped many firearms, by mail and common carrier, every time following the explicit requirements of the carrier, no loopholes needed.


Tony

Speaknoevil said:

I'm not talking about Loki product in particular. I am referring to any random Amazon delivery that is stolen from a porch. Reselling an item will always cost more than a purchase under Amazon Prime direct. Idiots on average will never make any money using this strategy. Sorry you live in a high drug area. DAllen and I are far more insulated than you.

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Why is it that you seem to go negative or degrade another individuals postings; "DAllen and I are far more insulated than you". Insulated from what??? I don't know where you two live, but you live in the US, and I doubt you are as insulated as you think. BTW, if you two are that insulated, tell us where it is, some of us might want to move there.

Glasspack said:

Clearly this guy is a Douche Bag !

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I tried to "pull him out of the shadows" a bit more . . .

Dave F.

I like how he looks directly at eth camera..

The problem with almost all images like this is the way image compression works. When it gets very noisy, like in the shadows, you lose almost all detail. The macro blocks used by both jpg and H.264 end up being just noise or a flat color, which you can clearly see above. The original video might be better, but hard to say.

Even better is a well lit version of the bad guy, but it still not going to do much good. That truck is lot more distinctive.


Tony

Mouth breathing rocket case stealing no good knuckle dragging beanie wearing dirt bag. He needs a hot coffee enema.

Mannnn,
This is really pissing me off..
Scott,,
Send the original vid file to Tony Manix
and see if he can get some better stills off of it..
Good clear ones of the guy and the truck and the trucks plate..
Print them and tack them up on telephone poles for many blocks around and especially shopping centers..
Don't let this just go easily for this guy Scott..
I'm sorry Scott,
I sure hope you don't get mad at me,
you owe it to yourself and everyone within the radius of where he'd do this again
to make his doing this as troublesome and problematic as humanly possible..

Posting his freakin face all over the place with a not that he is a thief will most definitely have a great affect.
Not a little affect..
This crap is done because it is so easy on the perp..
This is a rare case.
You have what you need to make this hard on this . guy..

I'm sorry man..
You all know I don't rant much..

Teddy

I'd be happy to do what I can, a good still of that truck might help, but I don't think there is much detail in his face during the close up. Seeing how casually he steals that package is infuriating.


Tony

I know you will Tony..
Or I wouldn't have volunteered you, lol..
Yep, it sure is infuriating..
I just hope Scott will do this..

Teddy

Plott twist, unknown dude is Scott's best friend and is playing a gag on him for starring down his wife's blouse all the time.

Looks like his pants are hanging down around his butt..........
I hate that crap!!!!

The cigarette hanging out of his mouth makes him look even more stupid.

This guy looks straight out of b-grade casting call for "shady guy #3"

I mean, I'm surprised he didn't stuff it in a sack marked "$".

I had largely been ignoring this thread. For some reason I let @Speaknoevil get under my skin and I certainly had a part in pushing him over the edge. I mentioned in another thread that I'm not the strong silent type, I'm the weak noisy type. This has been a great example of that.

I came here originally for some help. Once all the thread madness died down, I'm thankful that I've gotten just that. Thanks to everyone who gave advice, brightened up photos and just plain helped me laugh about the situation.

Now for the update- Through filing the police report it was determined that he and the truck are known the the police in our part of town. He has allegedly been a suspect in other petty crimes and they are actively looking for him and the truck. So who knows what might come of that. Who knows if he'll still have the case. Evidently hes a bit of a junk collector and I'm hoping the it's still part of the "collection".

Last but not least, I got the replacement case, thanks Teddy! Gonna go make some Mach rash with it...

Keep your eyes peeled. You just might see the truck around somewhere.

watheyak said:

Who knows if he'll still have the case. Evidently hes a bit of a junk collector and I'm hoping the it's still part of the "collection".

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Hopefully he still has the case so you can beat him with it (after due process, of course).