You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus

Ez2cDave said:

John,

Does the TSA have a "problem" with Hand Sanitizer, since it's, technically, a "flammable liquid" ?

Dave F.

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Ok I just found out hand sanitizer gel is allowed following the 3-1-1 rule. Size is limited to 3, 3.4oz. containers, must me in a clear
1 quart size bag, and only 1 bag per customer.

Just sent an email to my oldest natural daughter, who is living in Tacoma, WA. Her reply is that she is concerned, but is in good health and being cautious. She says they've had 6 deaths from COVID-19.

Ez2cDave said:

John,

Does the TSA have a "problem" with Hand Sanitizer, since it's, technically, a "flammable liquid" ?

Dave F.

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Does it actually have enough alcohol to be flammable? I've never tried to light it.

Have any TRF'ers come down with COVID-19 yet?

I was in Seattle last week, and I did stay at a Holiday Inn. My days are probably numbered Need to set up a quarantine area here on the forum.

John Taylor said:

I work in the airline industry. The tray tables are only cleaned
(if at all) at night. People even change babies on them. They are one of the most germ covered surfaces in the plane. It is wise to clean them along with anything you can reach or touch while seated. Carry with you a little bottle of hand sanitizer and use it. Not just for Corona but colds, flu etc...

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Please do not destroy the airplane interior by applying unapproved solvent filled sanitizers to the surfaces.

ThirstyBarbarian said:

Does it actually have enough alcohol to be flammable? I've never tried to light it.

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Purell is 70% Ethanol. It will damage some airplane interior surfaces. If you are worried about cooties, wear long sleeves, and gloves. And do not lick the airplane.

BF Rockets said:

Have any TRF'ers come down with COVID-19 yet?

I was in Seattle last week, and I did stay at a Holiday Inn. My days are probably numbered Need to set up a quarantine area here on the forum.

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Unless it presents pretty seriously most people who get it will never know. Most of us won’t go to a doctor or get tested; we’ll just handle it like a cold or flu.

Steve Shannon said:

Unless it presents pretty seriously most people who get it will never know. Most of us won’t go to a doctor or get tested; we’ll just handle it like a cold or flu.

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Much different from the symptoms after you eat the red clams from Serbia......

ThirstyBarbarian said:

Does it actually have enough alcohol to be flammable? I've never tried to light it.

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I've heard has enough alchohol to get you drunk. Some people have drank it to get a buzz. It is ethel alchohol. Must be desperate.

John Taylor said:

I work in the airline industry. The tray tables are only cleaned
(if at all) at night. People even change babies on them. They are one of the most germ covered surfaces in the plane. It is wise to clean them along with anything you can reach or touch while seated. Carry with you a little bottle of hand sanitizer and use it. Not just for Corona but colds, flu etc...

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I agree with that. I use hand sanitizer religiously. It works well for aftershave also.

John Taylor said:

I've heard has enough alchohol to get you drunk. Some people have drank it to get a buzz. It is ethel alchohol. Must be desperate.

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Absolutely do not eat or drink Purell. It is not worth the high.

Straightforward Calculations on COVID-19 Risks

https://nevinsresearch.com/blog/straightforward-calculations-covid-19

This website has some interesting data on the projected spread of Coronavirus.

Dave F.

cwbullet said:

Absolutely do not eat or drink Purell. It is not worth the high.

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That needs added to the list of "Things you never thought you would have to say."

I've been using this non-alcohol based hand sanitizer lotion. Doesn't flash off and dry your skin, but also doesn't leave my hands feeling clammy or lotiony

https://www.amazon.com/Waltz-Free-H...r_1_64?keywords=avkare&qid=1583343196&sr=8-64

Nytrunner said:

I've been using this non-alcohol based hand sanitizer lotion. Doesn't flash off and dry your skin, but also doesn't leave my hands feeling clammy or lotiony

https://www.amazon.com/Waltz-Free-H...r_1_64?keywords=avkare&qid=1583343196&sr=8-64

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Ingredients :



Dave F.

How to make your own hand sanitizer . . .

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/2/2...iy-how-to-hand-wash-cdc-alcohol-virus-illness

Washing your hands is the best way to protect yourself, but sanitizer is second best

By Barbara Krasnoff Mar 2, 2020, 2:33pm EST



Everyone agrees, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), that if you want to avoid the transmission of disease — including COVID-19, caused by the novel coronavirus — the best way to do that is to wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water for at least 20 seconds and avoid touching your face. But if you’re traveling or otherwise don’t have access to soap and water, the next best thing is hand sanitizer.

Can’t find one? You’re not alone. With increasing public awareness about the novel coronavirus outbreak, hand sanitizer is becoming difficult — if not impossible — to find. (A quick search on Amazon found most pocket-sized dispensers and wipes are listed as “currently unavailable.”).

However, if you really want some to carry around and can’t find any at your local Walgreens or CVS, you can make your own — and it really isn’t that hard. A wide range of sites (most of which are about saving money or reducing dependence on commercial products) have published explanations on how to mix up your own hand-sanitizing formula.

Combine in a bowl:
⅔-cup rubbing alcohol (99% isopropyl alcohol)
⅓-cup aloe vera gel.
Stir. Decant into a clean soap or pump bottle.

That's it, that's the recipe. Originates with a 2019 post by biomedical PhD @azareal: https://t.co/nmxCOfqojL

— Maryn McKenna (@marynmck) March 2, 2020

Recipes differ slightly (for example, some recommend adding a scented oil while others keep that step optional), but there is general agreement that if you want to create your own hand sanitizer, you need to be aware of a few things:

• To be effective, hand sanitizer needs to have a strength of at least 60 percent alcohol. Since you’re going to have to mix your sanitizer with aloe vera gel in order to stabilize it and protect your hands, most recipes suggest that the mixture contain at least two-thirds 99 percent isopropyl alcohol and one-third gel. A 91 percent alcohol would work as well. (You can probably ignore the occasional suggestion to use vodka instead of isopropyl alcohol since many vodkas are only 40 percent alcohol. And anyway, why waste good liquor?)

• On the other hand, the ethanol (also known as ethyl alcohol) in distilled beverages, such as vodka, is also effective. In fact, it’s actually considered more effective against some types of infectious diseases than isopropyl alcohol. But in order to get the proper strength, you’d have to find alcohol that is 180 proof or higher.

• Sanitizer is only effective if you cover your hands thoroughly and then let them dry. Squirting a few drops into your palms and then wiping your hands isn’t going to help at all.

• If your hands are heavily soiled or greasy, then, according to the CDC, hand sanitizer isn’t going to do much.

Given a choice, though, the best thing you can do is wash your hands and keep them away from your face.

Oh, and about your phone? There hasn’t been a lot of information (or concern) out there about spreading the novel coronavirus via your mobile devices, so don’t sweat it. However, since your phone is, according to the CDC, a “high-touch surface,” if you have any concerns, you can use alcohol wipes to clean it off.

Update March 4th, 10:15AM ET: This article has been updated to add information about using ethyl alcohol (ethanol) as well as isopropyl alcohol when making hand sanitizer and that 91 percent isopropyl alcohol can be used as well.

cwbullet said:

Absolutely do not eat or drink Purell. It is not worth the high.

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And you know this, how?

Waiting for YouTube "The Purell Challenge" where college kids see how much the can chug.

I have a regular flu bug. Been bedridden for three days. Don’t know if the Corona virus is worse.

John Kemker said:

And you know this, how?

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I had a patient who tool a similar product to get high. It is really hard on you liver and stomach.

Nytrunner said:

I've been using this non-alcohol based hand sanitizer lotion. Doesn't flash off and dry your skin, but also doesn't leave my hands feeling clammy or lotiony

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Active ingredient: Benzylkonium Chloride. Not for everyone.

The U.S. has the world's highest coronavirus death rate at more than 5% - a number that reflects the country's lack of testing

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...flects-the-countrys-lack-of-testing/23941708/

NOTE : The emphasis of this article is based on the level of testing being done, not the strength of the Coronavirus, at this time.

Dave F.

Look at my thread, but the 5% is a low numbers effect and not that the virus is more deadly in the US. This is most likely from the areas it hit during the start of infections in the US and low testing / reports.

https://www.rocketryforum.com/threa...stions-do-you-have.158020/page-4#post-1971734

well, my number are hypothetical, but the logic is true. 20 people come to the US from Wuhan. 11 of them have coronavirus. 5 of those die. that's almost a 50% death rate in the US! See how things can get skewed?

If you want to know more about the symptoms and how to prevent it, here are some links:

https://medlineplus.gov/coronavirusinfections.html

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/index.html

These are significantly better resources than news and Facebook.

Public Service Announcement: Recently there has been a lot of chatter about hand sanitizers being ineffective. The term "ineffective" is not the correct term. Hand sanitizers that are less than 60% alcohol or do nto contain another agent other than alcohol are "less effective".

I have read a lot about hand sanitizers and did my research project in residency on them. I would recommend brand name products such as Purell or Germ-X that contain 60% alcohol. A quote from the CDC: "alcohol concentration between 60–95% are more effective at killing germs than those with a lower alcohol concentration or non-alcohol-based hand sanitizers".

More information: https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html

About the death rate in the US, haven't most of these deaths come from an outbreak in a elder care facility in the northwest? That's kinda of a worst case scenario, which would likely skew the numbers, would it not?

Stefan2k4 said:

About the death rate in the US, haven't most of these deaths come from an outbreak in a elder care facility in the northwest? That's kinda of a worst case scenario, which would likely skew the numbers, would it not?

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Yes. This sort creates a selection bias if was research.

Coronavirus Facts vs. Fiction Interview with Dr. Centeno

I am going to warn folks one more time - avoid politics. Off handed and divisive comments will not be tolerated. It is time for the world and our country to come together and defeat this virus.

Offensive and blatantly political comments will be deleted and posters will be immediately banned from the threads.