House legislators want to hand NASA’s human spaceflight program over to Boeing

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Financial aid at taxpayer expense to Boeing to cover repercussions for their inexcusable 737 Max fiasco and/or another example of lobbying money rules?

House legislators want to hand NASA’s human spaceflight program over to Boeing
27 Jan 2020

https://arstechnica.com/science/202...nasas-artemis-plan-resurrect-journey-to-mars/

Excerpt:

The big-picture takeaway from the bipartisan legislation is that it rejects the Artemis Program put forth by the Trump White House, which established the Moon as a cornerstone of human exploration for the next decade or two and as a place for NASA astronauts to learn the skills needed to expand toward Mars in the late 2030s and 2040s. Instead, the House advocates for a "flags-and-footprints" strategy whereby astronauts make a few short visits to the Moon beginning in 2028 and then depart for a Mars orbit mission by 2033.

Space policy

Whatever one might think about NASA's Artemis Program to land humans on the Moon by 2024, it attempted to learn from decades of space policy failure. Artemis set a near-term target, 2024, for a human return to the Moon that provided some urgency for NASA to get moving. It also sought to develop a "sustainable" path with meaningful activities on the surface of the Moon, including polar landings, efforts to tap lunar resources (the House bill specifically prohibits this), and establishment of a base.

Moreover, Artemis recognized that spaceflight has changed in 50 years. The Artemis program included new players in the industry, such as SpaceX and Blue Origin, as well as up-and-coming companies like Maxar, along with the established aerospace giants like Boeing and Lockheed Martin. NASA's plans, essentially, invited everyone to the table. Over time, the companies that provided the most reliable services at the lowest costs were likely to get more contracts.

The Artemis Program also emphasized that NASA should be one of many customers, instead of the sole customer. It placed an emphasis on private investment in rockets and spacecraft—asking contractors to put more skin in the game. By opting for fixed-price contracts for the Human Landing System instead of cost-plus deals, the Artemis Program attempted to obtain services at lower costs while also giving contractors incentive to deliver on time.

The Boeing bill?

The House authorization act, which will now be considered in committee before going before the full House, rolls a lot of this back. Its proposed Human Landing System, which will take astronauts from lunar orbit, offers the prime example of this. The bill states that:

The United States should retain "full ownership" of the Human Landing System, and unfettered insight into its design and development. In other words, it must be let under a cost-plus contract
The lunar plans should utilize "the Orion vehicle and an integrated lunar landing system carried on an Exploration Upper Stage-enhanced Space Launch System for the human lunar landing missions.
The Gateway to Mars shall not be required for the conduct of human lunar landing missions.

The net effect of this is to shut down all potential competition and cost savings for the lunar lander. It is particularly telling that there is only one company—Boeing—that has proposed building an integrated lunar lander, has the contract for the Exploration Upper Stage, and is building core stages for the Space Launch System rocket. Boeing has also tried to minimize use of the Gateway.

With the House bill, legislators seem to be trying to take NASA's human exploration program and give it over to the Boeing Company, going back to an era of cost-plus contracting.
 
I guess we got to do something to keep Boeing in business after their fiascos :(
 
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I guess we got to do something to keep Boeing in business after their fiascos :(
Not really.

These corporate bailouts, if that is what this is, are short term, and send the wrong message. I say let these companies fail! It creates a vacuum that other companies fill and it sends a message to the executives that run them.
 
Not really.

These corporate bailouts, if that is what this is, are short term, and send the wrong message. I say let these companies fail! It creates a vacuum that other companies fill and it sends a message to the executives that run them.

Yes, my post was sarcastic LOL, it seems it's the only way I can deal with stuff like this anymore ;)
 
It seems that they forgot that the Apollo program had several prime contractors, and thousands of subcontractors. If NASA had given it all to Boeing then there's no way they would have made it to the moon in 1969.

With the number of 737 Max lawsuits on the table, a government bailout might not help them... going Chapter 11 may be their only recourse.
 
A comment without reading the whole thread.

I struggle with the correct words but...

Govt should not do things that the private sector can do better and/or for less cost.

The exceptions are those things that the private sector cannot do better for a similar cost.
Somethings require the backing of a nation, state, county, city. As in no matter what the cost, it has to be done and then the cost is spread out over years and to the population. It is solely for the public good, not stock holders.

Not very eloquent, sorry.
 
From everything that has come out about the internal culture at Boeing it would be a bad idea IMOP to have the Space Program become another division of this company. This situation they are in is largely the a result of business people calling the shots that should be called by people with many years experience in the various aviation related engineering arts. All hail the share holders!I aint going.jpg
 
Wouldn't it be cheaper to just funnel taxpayer money directly into shareholder pockets and skip the middle man?

Seriously, nobody's going to the moon or Mars any time soon, but the yachts have been purchased and have been sailing for decades. What do they care if there are failures or setbacks? Maybe Congress should cut checks after mission complete.
 
Boeing just defaulted on another NASA project in spite of being paid millions of our dollars. This just the house way of destroying the maned spaceflight program. There is NO way this should be allowed to happen.
I want space to be privatized but not by a company with a track record failure and waste like Boeing or Lockheed (who I used to work for). Companies like Blue Origin, and SpaceX stand a better chance simply because they have not been in bed with the government for 50 years or more.
 
At risk of the forbidden political:

Remember these names, and the names of those who vote for this bill, when election time comes.
 
If they're giving it to a private co,, they should at least pick a company with a history of space successes. give it to SpaceX and blue origin
 
If those 2 companies coordinated their work and added Bigelow to the group, we could be at Mars in 5 years
 
Do we know which legislators are behind this? Are they from Boeing-heavy states?
Right up Schiff's and Pelosi's alley
 
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