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Like it or not, going to Windows 10 should be a priority, because I gurarantee you that there are guys out in Russia and China that are wainting to unleash Windows 7 specific malware on January 15th (the day after W7 support ends). OpenShell should take care of most of the objections that you have about W10.
 
Windows 10 is a great OS. It takes some getting used to but after you get the hang of it, you'll see that the stability and speed are much improved. Sure they could have reduced the bloatware (which I feel many modern Linux distros could also do), and many of the Pro features would have been nice for all users but the ability to upgrade for free helps me overlook some of this.

As a whole, I'm very impressed by Microsoft these days. As a company they have realized that Windows is not their future (https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/3/...atya-nadella-importance-apps-services-android), they're starting to embrace Open Source Software ( https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...really-behind-microsofts-love-of-open-source/), and collaborating more with other companies( https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-phone-really-happening-introducing-surface-duo-android/). These are all good for the consumer. That said, the insistence that Edge is a good browser is crazy (although it's being rewritten with a Chromium engine).
 
That said, the insistence that Edge is a good browser is crazy (although it's being rewritten with a Chromium engine).

Yes, I see that Edge is on now on the Windows 10 toolbar and when I first started I think the OS asked if I wanted Firefox as my browser and I chose Firefox. Obviously, MS is pushing the Edge. I am wondering if this "e" for Edge once stood for Explorer.
 
Although the Mate desktop is nice, Cinnamon is my fav. It runs my NextCloud server.

And, here's the incredible coincidence:

Just about 10 minutes after I posted my reply, my boss texted me to say her dad gave her a laptop with Linux installed: Mint with Cinnamon. LOL!
 
Yes, I see that Edge is on now on the Windows 10 toolbar and when I first started I think the OS asked if I wanted Firefox as my browser and I chose Firefox. Obviously, MS is pushing the Edge. I am wondering if this "e" for Edge once stood for Explorer.
The good news is that it take 10 seconds to remove Edge from the toolbar and replace it with the browser of your choice. In my opinion, its also worth a couple minutes to hide Cortana, remove Mail from the toolbar, and unpin all of the "tiles" in the start menu.
 
Well, I bit the bullet and started to install Windows 10 yesterday. The first time I used "media creation tool". After hours of installing, transferring, updating, etc. the installation failed due to something not being transferred, I think.

I use the MS Media Creation tool to download the Win 10 ISO. Then I use a free program called Rufus to create a bootable USB install disk. It's never failed me.

https://rufus.ie/
 
What’s all the SH*T talk of Win 10. I had XP, Vista, and now a new laptop with Win 10. The only thing I hated of Win Ten was it’s IDIOTIC s mode was default on. After I turned that off the stupid S mode it let me do open rocket TeleGPS and missileworks software.

Honestly win 10 lets you uncheck a bunch of sh*t and disable stuff you don’t want which is exactly what I did. I don’t see all this griping. I’m thankful it lets me run win 8 compatibility mode for rocket reasons.
 
I've had few problems with Windows 10 per se, but I really dislike the constant spying and reporting home it does.

I've got a secondary system (Win 7) that my son uses for online activities, and which we use for playing video games vs each other (Minecraft mainly) that will become obsolete. While the system is older (2011), it works well enough, and I am not pleased that I will have to buy a new system just to maintain the status quo. The system is old enough I don't want to even consider "upgrading" or installing Windows 10, so I have to basically trash it. It also contains my only copy of Word, so now I have to buy a copy of that too. Bleh.

I could relegate it to offline status like the Win XP machine I keep around to play old-school video games, but there is always the risk that my son will accidentally go online with it and get hacked.
 
I've had few problems with Windows 10 per se, but I really dislike the constant spying and reporting home it does.

I've got a secondary system (Win 7) that my son uses for online activities, and which we use for playing video games vs each other (Minecraft mainly) that will become obsolete. While the system is older (2011), it works well enough, and I am not pleased that I will have to buy a new system just to maintain the status quo. The system is old enough I don't want to even consider "upgrading" or installing Windows 10, so I have to basically trash it. It also contains my only copy of Word, so now I have to buy a copy of that too. Bleh.

I could relegate it to offline status like the Win XP machine I keep around to play old-school video games, but there is always the risk that my son will accidentally go online with it and get hacked.
You could also install Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop environment. Libre Office will edit ALL your Word documents with little to no relearning on your part. There are Minecraft clients for Linux, as well as ways to play most games. Steam has put together a very usable suite of tools to make sure you can play "Windows-only" games on Linux.

Like I said, it's not a binary choice.
 
Sorry, NOT interested in Linux. I don't have the patience to learn its quirks - I just want a system that works in ways I expect it to. I'm sticking with Windows.
 
Sorry, NOT interested in Linux. I don't have the patience to learn its quirks - I just want a system that works in ways I expect it to. I'm sticking with Windows.
Ah! Metathesiophobia.

If you're running Cinnamon, there's very little change to make. It *does* work in ways you expect it to. The Cinnamon team has spent great effort to make it as seamless a change for migrating Windows users as possible.

If you have to replace the machine, anyways, why not *try* Linux on the old machine. The worst that can happen is that you find out that you were right, you don't have the patience to learn it and you dump the machine for something else. I bet your son won't have a problem with it.

True story: My future brother-in-law is a brick-mason. Not technically inclined at all. His HP laptop was having problems with Windows. Talked with him and installed Linux Mint/Cinnamon on it. He's happy as a pig in slop.
 
Ah! Metathesiophobia.

I am older (54), and a little set in my ways, to be sure, but I am not phobic about change. I just don't want to waste my limited time learning something new like Linux, which has always had a reputation as being more of an enthusiast's operating system, when I don't perceive there being very much gain for my time invested. :)
 
Actually, the concept of Dual Booting my old Win 7 with Linux Mint as John Kemker suggests gave me an idea for one of the computers I have. It would be pointless to upgrade it to Windows 10 due to it's age and setup. I do, however, need it for a specific software program. Currently my plan was to "sneaker net" the files from the old computer to the newer one. With a Dual Boot and mint I will be able to keep that particular setup working efficiently in my office. Thanks, John, for stimulating an idea.

For those who don't know what "sneaker net" is:

Sneakernet is a slang term that refers to the transfer of data and electronic files between computers through removable media (like hard drives, flash drives and optical disks), which are physically transported between computers and on foot. This method is used in lieu of a computer network file transfer.

The term sneakernet (meant to sound like Ethernet) refers to sneakers worn by the person carrying files between computers.
 
Actually, the concept of Dual Booting my old Win 7 with Linux Mint as John Kemker suggests gave me an idea for one of the computers I have. It would be pointless to upgrade it to Windows 10 due to it's age and setup. I do, however, need it for a specific software program. Currently my plan was to "sneaker net" the files from the old computer to the newer one. With a Dual Boot and mint I will be able to keep that particular setup working efficiently in my office. Thanks, John, for stimulating an idea.

For those who don't know what "sneaker net" is:

Sneakernet is a slang term that refers to the transfer of data and electronic files between computers through removable media (like hard drives, flash drives and optical disks), which are physically transported between computers and on foot. This method is used in lieu of a computer network file transfer.

The term sneakernet (meant to sound like Ethernet) refers to sneakers worn by the person carrying files between computers.

You forgot floppy disks. :rolleyes: There were 3 generations of them that I know of. 8", 5.25", & 3.5"
 
Now the real question: what rocket programs won't work under Win 10? I have some old software that doesn't like newer OS. G-Wiz. Even under the virtual machine is a rel pickle to make it go. Currently; my Laptop and my 9 YO home built run Win 7.
 
I'm staying with Windows 7, until it no longer "works" with the internet . . . Windows 8 & 8.1 were a debacle and Windows 10 is way too "Big Brother" for me. ( I use a "customized version" of Windows 7 ).

Dave F.
 
I am older (54), and a little set in my ways, to be sure, but I am not phobic about change. I just don't want to waste my limited time learning something new like Linux, which has always had a reputation as being more of an enthusiast's operating system, when I don't perceive there being very much gain for my time invested. :)

There's really very little to learn. I, too, am older. 57 in three months, to be exact. Of course, I've spent a career running UNIX/Linux servers. HOWEVER, the desktop environment is pretty simple.

Most people don't realize that they've been learning the Linux desktop environment most of their lives. It's called the CUI, or "Common User Interface." Back in the late 90s, IBM, DEC, Microsoft and others sat down and hammered out standards about what certain actions should mean. That's why <Ctrl-W> under Windows closes the current window and does under Cinnamon, as well. We click with the left button and right-clicks bring up a context menu. If a button is highlighted, you can hit the space bar or <Enter> instead of pressing that button. <Alt-Tab> switches between windows and <Ctrl-Tab> switches between tabs inside the window. You extend a selection by holding down the <Shift> key and you multi-select by holding down the <Ctrl> key. All those keystroke shortcuts you use under Windows work under Linux.

Want to try out Libre Office, the office productivity app I mentioned earlier? It's available under Windows, as well. Reads and edits Power Point, Excel, Word, etc. documents just as if you had paid Micro$oft big bux. Google Chrome works the same no matter what OS you're running. Same with FireFox. If you *really* can't let go of Internet Explorer, you can run it under WINE, the Windows Emulation suite.

And if you choose not to do any of those things, I am out nothing but a bit of my time talking about something I'd gladly talk about anyway. I don't make money by getting people to run Linux on their home computers.

It really isn't rocket science. And since we're all rocket scientists...

[grin]

Afterthought edit:
In the past, I would tell people that, while I loved Linux myself, I'd never put it on my parents' computer. Linux Mint changed all that. Unfortunately, both of them passed away years ago. I felt 1000% confident putting it on my future brother-in-law's laptop, however. His sister, my future XYL, has walked up and used my Linux desktop PC without a problem, not knowing it was Linux. She just needed to use it and she did. I wasn't there to hold her hand or show her anything. My only gripe was that when I got home, she had closed ALL my Chrome windows because she was done with it. /sigh
 
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Actually, the concept of Dual Booting my old Win 7 with Linux Mint as John Kemker suggests gave me an idea for one of the computers I have. It would be pointless to upgrade it to Windows 10 due to it's age and setup. I do, however, need it for a specific software program. Currently my plan was to "sneaker net" the files from the old computer to the newer one. With a Dual Boot and mint I will be able to keep that particular setup working efficiently in my office. Thanks, John, for stimulating an idea.

For those who don't know what "sneaker net" is:

Sneakernet is a slang term that refers to the transfer of data and electronic files between computers through removable media (like hard drives, flash drives and optical disks), which are physically transported between computers and on foot. This method is used in lieu of a computer network file transfer.

The term sneakernet (meant to sound like Ethernet) refers to sneakers worn by the person carrying files between computers.
Another option, assuming you have enough RAM and HDD storage, is to use a virtual machine (VM) like VirtualBox (Link). The Primary advantage of a VM is you can use both OS's at the same time. And btw, a Linux computer "Host" can run a Windows "Guest" VM as well as the other way around. When I used to do BOINC [(Link) (Wiki)] in a big way, I would have several VMs running on each of my 6 "Host" machines. My main gaming rig could run 4 VMs each running a BOINC client along with the "Host" OS also running a BOINC client.
 
Another option, assuming you have enough RAM and HDD storage, is to use a virtual machine (VM) like VirtualBox (Link). The Primary advantage of a VM is you can use both OS's at the same time. And btw, a Linux computer "Host" can run a Windows "Guest" VM as well as the other way around. When I used to do BOINC [(Link) (Wiki)] in a big way, I would have several VMs running on each of my 6 "Host" machines. My main gaming rig could run 4 VMs each running a BOINC client along with the "Host" OS also running a BOINC client.
Don't skimp on the RAM, aka "physical memory."

Dr. Seymour Cray, famous for building some of the fastest computers of his time, didn't believe in virtual memory. Instead, he shipped every computer that he sold with as much memory as the CPU could address, period. He supposedly once compared computer memory to sex, by saying "Memory is like an orgasm: It's better if you don't have to fake it."
 
Want to try out Libre Office, the office productivity app I mentioned earlier? It's available under Windows, as well. Reads and edits Power Point, Excel, Word, etc. documents just as if you had paid Micro$oft big bux. Google Chrome works the same no matter what OS you're running. Same with FireFox. If you *really* can't let go of Internet Explorer, you can run it under WINE, the Windows Emulation suite.

I really like LibreOffice, a lot more than Microsoft Office, especially Writer. Ever try to position a photo in a Word Doc & get text to flow around it at a specific distance? Frustrating as hell. In Writer it is easy. The only thing LO doesn't have is the equivalent of Outlook, which I think is Microsoft's best piece of software. Luckily, eMClient is in the process of adding Notes to its excellent email program, just like Outlook has & which I use alot. As soon as this comes out I'm dumping MS Office all together.

And if you haven't tried it give the web browser Opera a try. I really like it.
 
It's been 2 weeks since I got my new win 10 pc after having XP and 7, never had the crap between. After removing the bloatware it is not so bad, I think I'll even like it!!
 
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