GrouchoDuke
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Drone flyers have brought this upon themselves and, unfortunately, the rest of RC Hobbyists.
The types of activities depicted in numerous YouTube video's and the ease of adaptation and misuse by "criminal elements" ( drug-smuggling, as only one example ) has attracted the unwanted attention of the "alphabet agencies". If they can't "regulate it to death", they will, eventually, ban it outright, taking RC Hobbyists down with it.
Dave F.
Just got an email from the FAA about a new proposed rule for drones/UAS, going to require some form of transponder. It will have big impact on R/C flying, which is one of my other hobbies. How long till they come at rocketry?
https://www.faa.gov/uas/research_development/remote_id/
I resent your generalization about drone pilots. It's this kind of emotional over-reaction that is bringing about this new rule making. I have never flown my drone in an unsafe or illegal manner. I don't believe I am the exception to the rule, either. There are plenty of videos online showing safe fun drone flying.
I dare you to take a look at some of the multiple videos on youtube like this one, then come back here and cry about how dangerous drones are!!
Drug smugglers were using R/C aircraft long before drone technology ever existed. 99% on drones on the market don't have the operational range for this anyway)
Since no one here seems to want to hear me, I'm just going to say this one more time. This new rule is NOT GOING TO PREVENT THE CRAZIES OUT THERE FROM DOING STUPID OR ILLEGAL THINGS!!!! And the crazies are just an excuse for the FAA to kill the R/C hobby.
If it was really only about safety, "they" would be working on ways to enforce existing laws.
I resent your generalization about drone pilots. It's this kind of emotional over-reaction that is bringing about this new rule making. I have never flown my drone in an unsafe or illegal manner. I don't believe I am the exception to the rule, either. There are plenty of videos online showing safe fun drone flying. Of all my friends who fly drones, do you know how many have used their aircraft to spy on neighbors? None. Do you know how many have gotten their drones in the way of other flying aircraft of any kind? None. Do you know how many have mounted weapons on their drones? NONE. Do you know how many of us have lost any of our drones in crashes? NOT A SINGLE ONE IN OVER THREE YEARS OF FLYING TOGETHER!!!
I dare you to take a look at some of the multiple videos on youtube like this one, then come back here and cry about how dangerous drones are!!
Drug smugglers were using R/C aircraft long before drone technology ever existed. 99% on drones on the market don't have the operational range for this anyway)
Since no one here seems to want to hear me, I'm just going to say this one more time. This new rule is NOT GOING TO PREVENT THE CRAZIES OUT THERE FROM DOING STUPID OR ILLEGAL THINGS!!!! And the crazies are just an excuse for the Faa to kill the R/C hobby.
If it was really only about safety, "they" would be working on ways to enforce existing laws.
(1) Either you are part of the problem or part of the solution, whether that "triggers" you, or not. Simply because YOU have never intentionally done anything "unsafe or illegal" is not "blanket amnesty". ONE shooter in Las Vegas got "bump stocks" banned for EVERYONE, whether they were using them "safely and/or legally".
(2) I already posted YouTube links and other URL's, which a Moderator saw fit to remove. No one, in the video's you alluded to, intentionally crashed their RC aircraft or attempted to "weaponize" them or intentionally fly them in an "unsafe or illegal" manner.
(3) Your argument about the "range" of Drones is moot, since it is only a matter of changing the Receiver and using a Quality Transmitter ( FRSKY have Receivers with a 10 + KM range, for example ) . . .
Dave F.
Fine, I'm part of the solution, then, because I fly safely and insist anyone flying with me also must fly safely.
How can you say pilots in these videos do not crash intentionally when you can clearly see them doing things like flying through huge fireball explosions and aircraft coming down in flames?
How can you say they are flying safely when that one guy hit HIMSELF with his own airplane?
By definition, a 25 pound r/c aircraft hitting the ground out of control is DANGEROUS!
I personally know a guy who unintentionally flew his r/c airplane right across the flight path of a Cessna on final approach years ago. So don't tell me that doesn't happen!
Drones are not inherently any more dangerous than any other r/c activity!
Stop blaming me and other safe drone flyers for the mistakes, illegal activities, and errors in judgement made by a very small percentage of idiots!
Go after and prosecute those idiot!
There should be very few regulations and laws on the books regarding r/c hobby aircraft. Enforce the laws that do exist, don't pile on more and more regulation and eventually ban the hobby!
At best, on a good day, my drone only has about 25 minutes of flight time, so it won't fly more than roughly 15 miles (I've never actually had a reason to clock it's top speed). It's not the receiver or the transmitter range I was talking about.
We have a perfectly fine delivery system by several different organizations.
Companies like Amazon wanting to deliver by drones SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED.
As society, we are not there yet. No where near it.
If they want to deliver to their customers, let them buy a fleet of trucks and hire drivers.
Put American's TO work, not put them Out Of Work!
That is just insane! Whom ever wants to do this needs to be line up a wall and.....Paint Balled!
I can see people shooting them down with CO2, Air and Pellet guns to robe what they carry.
No, No way, should not be done. Maybe in another 500 years or so when everything moves by Air Travel.
It's a hobby, and it's used for Scientific Research and other useful things.
I find it odd you ignored about 90% of my post, but there’s plenty of instances of this being brought up in the mainstream news.If the problems pointed out in that video are so widespread, why don't we ever hear about it in the mainstream news. I don't get HBO, so this is the first I've heard of it.
It is a relatively simple matter to prevent drone fly-overs of prisons. Make the area around prisons be no-fly zones, the same way the FAA already does with most controlled airspace airports. Not that hard or expensive to do, and doesn't punish law abiding types.
My consumer grade drone won't fly into those types of airspace, and if I'm already in flight and try to, the drone just stops and hovers till I make it turn around.
It is a relatively simple matter to prevent drone fly-overs of prisons. Make the area around prisons be no-fly zones, the same way the FAA already does with most controlled airspace airports.
This Drone could actually carry out a prison escape, if the person weighed less than 75 Kg. / 165lb.
Dave F.
I didn't write that. I was posting from my phone and was too lazy to fix the broken quote tags.
I find it odd you ignored about 90% of my post, but there’s plenty of instances of this being brought up in the mainstream news.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-45980560
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-jail-drone-contraband.amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.governing.com/news/headlines/Drones-Dropping-Off-Packages-Pose-New-Threat-to-Prisons.html?AMP
Far from isolated. Have you actually researched any of your talking points or are you just going by feel? I understand your hobby is effectively being attacked, but that doesn’t excuse blatantly making things up or basing your arguments solely off feelings...
You can defeat the geofencing on consumer drones extremely easily.
I'm not sure that BBC or Fox News are considered obscure news sites, but if you give it a quick google you'll find more than a handful of reports from the big news outlets.That illegal activity from the drones makes up the lion's share of people doing dumb things with R/C aircraft. That's the point here.You miss my point entirely. I did not say illegal drone activities aren't happening. My point was that out of the thousands of hours of drone activity, the illegal ones make up a very small percentage. And digging out a few obscure news reports online it not mainstream news. Since those activities are already illegal, obviously new rules hurting the rest of us are not going to make much difference to the criminals.
Why not make geofencing hard wired into every drone control board sold? Make it so if tampered with or removed, the control board no longer functions. If it can be done with an ID transponder it can be done with geofencing! I think that would eliminate most of these problems.
As Stated by others and by the wording in the actual new rule, this isn't about making drones safer. It's going to apply across the board to every r/c aircraft.
I am done with this thread. It's not going any where and suggest the moderators should think about locking it?
I am done with this thread. It's not going any where and suggest the moderators should think about locking it?
I think there's been plenty of good discussion here. I'm not sure that having people disagreeing with you is a valid reason to close a thread.
AKA...I'm taking my ball and I'm out of here!I am done with this thread. It's not going any where and suggest the moderators should think about locking it?
Like Tripoli and NAR, AMA is a hobby organization that provides value to its members by adopting rules which help ensure that overreaching government regulation isn’t necessary. They are also an organization that has many times more members than the strictly rocketry organizations and they have always been very supportive of model rocketry, even providing insurance coverage to its members for model rocketry activities.
We have to stand by them or we can count on rocketry being targeted as well someday. As people have said, it’s the actions of a very few that create a perception that “the government needs to step in.” That could also happen to us.
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