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Does Aerotech have plans to make a G64-6? 8 is too long for some rockets and 4 is too short. Flew a PML Mini BBX on a G64-4 and it was too short (needed a 6). Being quantum there was no damage but how long will that last?
This is the RMS for the 29/40-120 case yes? Assuming yes, buy the -8 and use the delay drilling tool to take it down to 6.

I tend to always buy the longest possible delay and then drill for the specific flight.

If we are talking SU (non DMS), then this doesn't apply...
 
I'd like to know why there are no more G80-4's. Indeed, any SU G80. Are the G79,78,77's just as good?

This was explained by Gary R. many years ago when the new version of the G80 was introduced. basically, it is a Model Rocket Motor and it has a LOT of total impulse. As a result, for any max weight Model Rocket (3.3. pounds or 1500 grams) it will coast for 7 seconds. Even a big fat 4 inch diameter max weight Model Rocket.

if you fly skinny lightweight Model Rockets, you will need the longer delay since they will go very fast and coast a long time.

https://www.nar.org/SandT/pdf/Aerotech/G80-20071207.pdf

Actual measured delay for the "-7" is 5.88 seconds.

For the other motors with less total impulse, the 4 second delay is still available.

https://www.nar.org/SandT/pdf/Aerotech/G40.pdf

Actual measured delay for the "-4" is 4.26 seconds.
 
<snip>One option, would be to simplify the assembly of the motor - I believe this is the direction AT was going when they released the RMS-EZ reloads, where the delay assembly was fully assembled. However, we all know how that ended up. <snip>
I sure do know how that ended up - my brand-spanking-new 6" Saturn V had an I284 EZ Cato! Hope we never see the RMS-EZ again, I'd rather have an assembly mistake be mine.
 
This was explained by Gary R. many years ago when the new version of the G80 was introduced. basically, it is a Model Rocket Motor and it has a LOT of total impulse. As a result, for any max weight Model Rocket (3.3. pounds or 1500 grams) it will coast for 7 seconds. Even a big fat 4 inch diameter max weight Model Rocket.

if you fly skinny lightweight Model Rockets, you will need the longer delay since they will go very fast and coast a long time.

https://www.nar.org/SandT/pdf/Aerotech/G80-20071207.pdf

Actual measured delay for the "-7" is 5.88 seconds.

For the other motors with less total impulse, the 4 second delay is still available.

https://www.nar.org/SandT/pdf/Aerotech/G40.pdf

Actual measured delay for the "-4" is 4.26 seconds.
The G80-4 was perfect for my NCR Bomarc which is built fairly heavy. Don't want to Level 1 to use H's.
 
The G80-4 was perfect for my NCR Bomarc which is built fairly heavy. Don't want to Level 1 to use H's.
Was that the old MUCH LOWER total impulse G80 which was sold with a -4 delay or the current EXTREMELY HIGH total impulse G80 which was never sold with a -4 delay?

It would be fine with the current G80-7.
 
Was that the old MUCH LOWER total impulse G80 which was sold with a -4 delay or the current EXTREMELY HIGH total impulse G80 which was never sold with a -4 delay?

It would be fine with the current G80-7.
There were 2 lower impulse versions, the original case with glued nozzle and paper ejection cap, certified around 1995, which was 120 N-s according to the package, or the even lower total impulse molded case with plastic ejection plug, which certified at 94 N-s in 2006 (though AT marketed it at 100 N-s IIRC).
 
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to piggy back on all this G80 talk, am i correct that the G80 DMS is the "new version" just with the new case and adjustable delay?

sorry if this was already answered.
 
This was explained by Gary R. many years ago when the new version of the G80 was introduced. basically, it is a Model Rocket Motor and it has a LOT of total impulse. As a result, for any max weight Model Rocket (3.3. pounds or 1500 grams) it will coast for 7 seconds. Even a big fat 4 inch diameter max weight Model Rocket.

if you fly skinny lightweight Model Rockets, you will need the longer delay since they will go very fast and coast a long time.

https://www.nar.org/SandT/pdf/Aerotech/G80-20071207.pdf

Actual measured delay for the "-7" is 5.88 seconds.

For the other motors with less total impulse, the 4 second delay is still available.

https://www.nar.org/SandT/pdf/Aerotech/G40.pdf

Actual measured delay for the "-4" is 4.26 seconds.

This is the best answer.
 
All of this discussion regarding Aerotech reloads and motor casings has me wondering something... specifically about G reload kits and their use in the 29/40-120 RMS motor hardware.

Is there a listing somewhere that shows everything AT makes that will work in that motor hardware? The hardware came with what appeared to be a partial listing, but I'm not convinced that is everything.

Any help on this before I order a reload that will not fit or function properly in my hardware will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!!!
 
All of this discussion regarding Aerotech reloads and motor casings has me wondering something... specifically about G reload kits and their use in the 29/40-120 RMS motor hardware.

Is there a listing somewhere that shows everything AT makes that will work in that motor hardware? The hardware came with what appeared to be a partial listing, but I'm not convinced that is everything.

Any help on this before I order a reload that will not fit or function properly in my hardware will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!!!
I think this is what you want:
https://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/u...56-40199ce6f3e0_aerotech_rms_x-ref_7-3-14.pdf
 
Learn how to drill delays people! I like the fact that AT is offering some of these reloads in the max delay then I can adjust it as needed out in the field. If you don't have the DAT get a drill bit and twist. By hand - it's not hard. I just wish I could remember how many seconds you take off per 1/8" of an inch. Just measure from the tip of the bit and put a piece of tape on the bit where you want to drill to.
 
Learn how to drill delays people! I like the fact that AT is offering some of these reloads in the max delay then I can adjust it as needed out in the field. If you don't have the DAT get a drill bit and twist. By hand - it's not hard. I just wish I could remember how many seconds you take off per 1/8" of an inch. Just measure from the tip of the bit and put a piece of tape on the bit where you want to drill to.

https://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/c...tions/RDK_Instructions/rms_delay_mod_inst.pdf
 
Learn how to drill delays people! I like the fact that AT is offering some of these reloads in the max delay then I can adjust it as needed out in the field. If you don't have the DAT get a drill bit and twist. By hand - it's not hard. I just wish I could remember how many seconds you take off per 1/8" of an inch. Just measure from the tip of the bit and put a piece of tape on the bit where you want to drill to.

Or you can make up a Peach Pitter...

PeaCH pitter good.jpg
as seen on Aerocon Systems web page

Tony
 
Learn how to drill delays people! I like the fact that AT is offering some of these reloads in the max delay then I can adjust it as needed out in the field. If you don't have the DAT get a drill bit and twist. By hand - it's not hard. I just wish I could remember how many seconds you take off per 1/8" of an inch. Just measure from the tip of the bit and put a piece of tape on the bit where you want to drill to.

1/8" is roughly 4 seconds. Most delay grains burn at a rate of ~1/32" per second at low chamber pressure (AFTER the propellant in the motor stops burning).
 
Oh yeah don’t get me wrong...the DAT is the way to go for sure but IMHO everyone should still know how to do it without.
Asking round the pits generally will turn one or two up. I have loaned mine out more times than I can remember.
 
^^^^THIS^^^^

we spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on reload motors but want to skimp on the $20 tool that makes em work?????

Then when there’s an issue the complaining starts.

doesn’t add up
After learning to drill them myself, the drill tools seem inaccurate and uncontrolled. I even pull out my drill bit sometimes with CTIs to take off an extra second and I have the tool. I got into reloads partially to save money, and partially because most of the motors came in 4 and 7 seconds when I needed 5.5 .
 
i truly do not mean any disrespect with this comment, but we are all kidding ourselves if we believe we can drill and subsequently control an delay grain to a .5 second tolerance.

Is this aimed at me? At any rate I don't understand this attitude that the process is inaccurate, therefore don't worry about adding even more accuracy. I don't remember what the numbers were, but +/- 2 +/- 2 becomes +/- 4 which is not an acceptable tolerance.

I've removed only .5 second from a delay MANY times and while I can't be sure it helped significantly, it didn't hurt anything (.5 second is basically taking out the "V" of the drill bit tip, almost just a dent). If refined over time, I think working at a higher precision does become significant. Or you stick it in a machine and just trust ...
 
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