Can I get lvl 1 certification using a G138T reloadable motor?

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That's what I always thought. Why does a person have to be at least Level 1 to purchase it but it cant be used to certify?

I used to be Level 2 TRA, but because I was out for a ling time I lost my certification and have to start over according to TRA.

Really I wanted to ask because I already have the 29mm 40/120 casing. The H single single use requires hazmat, and a RMS would require purchasing a new RMS motor casing. It looks like I will end up doing just that.
 
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The G138T also requires a hazmat charge. It has a thrust greater than 80 newtons ( 138 average, 190 max) and it has more than 62.5 grams (70 grams) of propellant, all of which place it the HPR category, along with ALL sparky motors. It is a single grain iirc of 70 grains, if it were two grains it could fall into the non-haz charge range but still HPR category due to its high thrust. There are non-haz H motors from both Aerotech and Loki but they will require a reloadable casing.

Edit: lots of responses in the time it took me to type mine..

That's what I always thought. Why does a person have to be at least Level 1 to purchase it but it cant be used to certify?

I used to be Level 2 TRA, but because I was out for a ling time I lost my certification and have to start according to TRA.

Really I wanted to ask because I already have the 29mm 40/120 casing. The H single single use requires hazmat, and a RMS would require purchasing a new RMS motor casing. It looks like I will end up doing just that.
 
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Really I wanted to ask because I already have the 29mm 40/120 casing. The H single single use requires hazmat, and a RMS would require purchasing a new RMS motor casing. It looks like I will end up doing just that.

HAZMAT depends on location. Getting it shipped is not the way to go for a certification motor since per NFPA you can only purchase the one motor. If you are close to a dealer you can arrange to pick up your order. Or have someone else do it for you.

Best is to have a dealer on the field so you can make those impulse purchases. :)
 
I used to be Level 2 TRA, but because I was out for a ling time I lost my certification and have to start over according to TRA.

Did you also used to be level 2 NAR, by any chance? NAR certification is for life and does not expire just because you withdraw your membership. If so, you can get your level 2 back with NAR. Then, since NAR and TRA recognize each other’s certification, you can apply to TRA to be recognized level 2.

That way, no need to start over. But only if you used to have NAR certification.
 
One note on the HAZMAT is that it depends on what motor company you use. CTI is all HAZMAT and Aerotech is mostly outside of the smaller 24 and 29 stuff. If you want to order without hazmat, I’d suggest Loki motors. Easy to build (well easier than Aerotech), no HAZMAT from G-I with only two motors needing it, most motors are cheaper than Aerotech for the same size, and imo they have a better punch. Sparkies and high impulse midpower motors require a level 1 but you can’t use them to cert.
 
Did you also used to be level 2 NAR, by any chance? NAR certification is for life and does not expire just because you withdraw your membership. If so, you can get your level 2 back with NAR. Then, since NAR and TRA recognize each other’s certification, you can apply to TRA to be recognized level 2.

That way, no need to start over. But only if you used to have NAR certification.

I was only TRA but thanks for the info. I have joined NAR and I believe I'm going that way this time.
I appreciate
 
One note on the HAZMAT is that it depends on what motor company you use. CTI is all HAZMAT and Aerotech is mostly outside of the smaller 24 and 29 stuff. If you want to order without hazmat, I’d suggest Loki motors. Easy to build (well easier than Aerotech), no HAZMAT from G-I with only two motors needing it, most motors are cheaper than Aerotech for the same size, and imo they have a better punch. Sparkies and high impulse midpower motors require a level 1 but you can’t use them to cert.

Thanks for the info!
 
Aerotech was trying to make an H motor for the 29 40-120 case with that motor, and just missed.

They are fun as hell to fly. But, some of them were burning up/bubbling cases. trouble is they packed it full of propellant by eliminating the liner.

Sadly they also lack the crisp mach diamonds the G80T has. But what a kick in the ass. ;)

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Look into Loki Reaserch . You will not be sorry .

Agreed. I use my Loki 38/120 a lot and my 29/40-120 just sits in the box until I feel like using an E23 or an F which is rare. The G69 is a cool dark sparky motor and the G80 is loud.
 
It might be time for a refresher -so here is my list of…

:D Stuff you should know when considering High Power Rocketry. :D

1) Location – Know and understand the local rules.
The rules for rocketry can be different depending upon your location.
My neighbors to the north in Canada use a slightly different system of rules than I do In Wisconsin. My big sister Steph lives in California :cool: where there are MORE rocketry rules than most of the USA.

2) Purchasing restrictions and shipping restrictions are two different things.
I’m 16, so I cannot purchase any “G” motors, reloadable motors of any size, sparky motors of any size, or any motor with average thrust exceeding 80Ns. :mad: “G” motors and reloadable motors must be purchased by an Adult. Sparky motors and high-thrust motors require a Certified Adult to purchase them. I can buy and fly an F50 Single-use Blue Thunder motor on my own– and I pay Hazmat shipping just like everyone else.

3) The FAA is a CLASS operation.
The FAA is primarily concerned with class 2 and class 3 rockets. A waiver is not required to launch class 1 rockets. :) I’m not going into any “class” details here except to say it’s possible to certify Level-1 with a class-1 or class-2 rocket. Some of the rules are located here if you would like to look at them. :rolleyes:


4) Certify with Alphabet Rocket Motors.
Fly a commercial motor in the correct power range to certify. A written test is sometimes required.
You can certify L1 on a G motor in Canada. o_O (remember that location thing?)
In the USA, 12-year-old’s can take a written test to certify “M” with Tripoli and fly an “H or I” motor for M1 certification. NAR allows 14-year-olds to fly "H-I" power for Jr L-1 certification. Both Jr L-1 and M1 members automatically convert to full L-1 status on their 18th birthday. :p Adults of any age fly H-I for L1, written test + J, K,L motor for L2. The L3 certification requires to build documentation and M, N, or O power. All certification attempts must be made with a commercially produced motor.


5) Chemistry and Rocket science.
Tripoli allows L2 members to fly “experimental” or “research” motors made by the flyer using certain approved chemicals. :cool: These are flown under special “research” launch rules. The NAR only allows its members to fly commercial motors. Only Tripoli members can fly experimental motors and only at a Tripoli Research Launch.


6) Organizational inclusivity, and other ways to improve your vocabulary and sound like a smarty.
Insured members of either organization are welcome at NAR or Tripoli Launches. Tripoli members may not fly research motors at NAR launches. :( NAR members are restricted to commercial motors at all launches.
 
Hazmat shipping charges depend on the size of the grains and how they're packaged. It's silly, really... the AT J520 is a non-hazmat J, with FIFTEEN itty bitty grains, individually wrapped. It's a pretty wimpy motor and requires the 38/1080 case which is fairly expensive, so saving the $28 hazmat fee is really not a good justification for getting a motor like that... which is probably why there was a whole bunch of them sold at a big discount recently. Nobody bought them at list...
 
That's what I always thought. Why does a person have to be at least Level 1 to purchase it but it cant be used to certify?

NFPA decides which motors have purchase restrictions. Their criteria include total impulse as well as other criteria: sparkies, and motors with over 80N average thrust are purchase-restricted. Member certification by TRA or NAR uses only the total impulse. Thus, for example, a G50 sparky motor and an F120 fall under NFPA restrictions, but neither can be used for high-power certification.
 
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