Black Brant Vc Documentation

Bobby,

What about "Box 22" of the Herb Desind Collection ?

https://sirismm.si.edu/EADpdfs/NASM.1997.0014.pdf

Dave F.

one of the first places I checked
Canadian Archives is where I found some of the photos

bobby_hamill said:

one of the first places I checked
Canadian Archives is where I found some of the photos

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Bobby,

Unfortunately, this data may never be located, I'm afraid.

Dave F.

I have been searching since 1981 and have not gave up yet

bobby_hamill said:

I have been searching since 1981 and have not gave up yet

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If the data still exists, or ever existed, I suspect that it lies somewhere in the "Great White North", Canada.

Dave F.

Dave
I am trying to get someone to do some research searching through some boxes of Black Brant materials
located at the Canadian Archives

bobby_hamill said:

Dave
I am trying to get someone to do some research searching through some boxes of Black Brant materials
located at the Canadian Archives

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Bobby,

I hope your efforts pay off . . . Good hunting !

Dave F.

https://www.rocketryforum.com/threads/black-brant-vc.154748/#post-1918879

Dave F.

Bob
Attached is a low res photo of a Nike Black Brant VC at Wallops on 11 July 1987
I have a 5MB pdf file of the image

Some more info

bobby_hamill said:

Bob
Attached is a low res photo of a Nike Black Brant VC at Wallops on 11 July 1987
I have a 5MB pdf file of the image

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Bobby,

If you don't mind, I would love to see the full-resolution photo.

Here is my Email address : [email protected]

Thanks, in advance !

Dave F.

Dave

Photo sent

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Dave

Photo sent

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Bobby,

Received . . . Thank you, sir !

Dave F.

Here are a few pictures I found. At first I thought they went with the Black Brant pictured earlier but it's a different building.





-Bob

In the rear of this photo you can see a Black Brant VIII. The VC reminds me of the rocket depicted in the Peter Always drawing of the BBVIII. The booster has entirely different marking though.



-Bob

Bruiser said:

In the rear of this photo you can see a Black Brant VIII. The VC reminds me of the rocket depicted in the Peter Always drawing of the BBVIII. The booster has entirely different marking though.

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-Bob

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Bob,

The BB VIII is a Nike-Boosted BB VC . . . First two items are Peter Alway data.

Dave F.

Now that third picture is a real eye opener! I wish I had seen that one a few days ago. I am building the Rocketarium BBVa/b kit as a Vc. Thursday I added the upper band and I added a lower band. I wasn't too sure about the lower band but I knew there had to be something going on there not detailed in the kit. I could not see anything clearly in the pictures that I had so I figured there must be another band. This picture clearly shows no lower band--err...

So now I need to decide if I am going to try to remove the band or leave it. I have an idea...

-Bob

some more photos to share

Bruiser said:

Now that third picture is a real eye opener! I wish I had seen that one a few days ago. I am building the Rocketarium BBVa/b kit as a Vc. Thursday I added the upper band and I added a lower band. I wasn't too sure about the lower band but I knew there had to be something going on there not detailed in the kit. I could not see anything clearly in the pictures that I had so I figured there must be another band. This picture clearly shows no lower band--err...

So now I need to decide if I am going to try to remove the band or leave it. I have an idea...

-Bob

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Bob.

Take special note of PAGE 6 in this PDF file . . .

https://psc473.org/Newsletters/Issue126.pdf

Dave F.

Well I can clearly see a few things not quite right. The step down is not large enough at the motor joint. The detail is just skipped over as well. The other thing is that I need to make the flanges a little wider so there is room for some simulated bolts.


Hmmn… This is one of those times when I have to tell myself it's only sport scale. I am sure it will be recognizable when done.

Bob

Bruiser said:

Hmmn… This is one of those times when I have to tell myself it's only sport scale.

Bob

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Nothing is ever ONLY Sport Scale . . . We want to see the "wrench marks" on every bolt !

LOL !

Dave F.

Dave F,

Sir, you are no help

-Bob

Bruiser said:

Dave F,

Sir, you are no help

-Bob

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Bob,

I was being "kind" . . . I left out the "scale bird droppings" . . . LOL !

Dave F.

Ez2cDave said:

Bob.

Take special note of PAGE 6 in this PDF file . . .

https://psc473.org/Newsletters/Issue126.pdf

Dave F.

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Hi Dave;

Thanks for posting the note/article. That article discusses how I tackled the round end of the motor casing, and I've attached a photo of the final result on the model. Hope it is of help.

John

John,

This is so weird. I was just thinking that I would like to do a BB VIII but that is I did I would do it using the same size tubes you used in yours. We both started with a 1/10h scale rocket and decided to step it up to appr. 1/8th scale to add more detail.

Thank you,
-Bob

Oops. I said I didn't have the combination of color and dimensions for any 4-finned BB VC, other than the one with the S-19 unit. But when I was filing the drawing of the "stubby" round in my binders, I discovered that I had data for the "Dynamo Mag" mission. I just checked the website I got the material from, but the URL is dead no, but at least I had the sense to download an image of a drawing with payload segment length and some color photos:






There's a video of the launch here:

I think I got the original link from that video a few years back, and managed to grab the images then.

Here is a jargon-filled abstract from a paper that came from this flight: https://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2011AGUFMSA13B1889B

Those are some great pictures and video to boot! That was awesome! I wonder what the second rocket in the video was. I couldn't quite make it out.

Thank you for posting them,
-Bob

Those are some great pictures and video to boot! That was awesome! I wonder what the second rocket in the video was. I couldn't quite make it out.

Thank you for posting them,
-Bob

OK, I found a listing of Black Brant flights at Gunter's Space Page, and found this line about the "stubby" Black Brant with the 14 inch Orion-sized payload:

xxx xxx Black Brant-5C 12.10.1990 * And NASA 21.102IE (NEED II/Ferdinand 80)

"And" means it was launched at the Andoya, Norway, range. I sent a message to Andoya asking for a photo. No idea if they will respond.

From there, I was able to locate a little more info from the astronautix site:

1990 October 12 - . 20:28 GMT - . Launch Site: Andoya. LV Family: Black Brant. Launch Vehicle: Black Brant VC.

• NEED II (F-80) Aurora mission - . Nation: USA. Agency: NASA. Apogee: 304 km (188 mi).

More information if it appears...

Peter Alway

Alas, Andoya has no photos. At least they responded promptly!

Peter Alway