Pro Series II going away?

Thanks so much you Thirsty Barbarian. I'll check it out. Nice you put all the info here s I can refer back to it in this thread.

This is the casing I have and as I recall I got it from a user here 10 years ago.

No Haz on the "g" reloads for that case. I G64W-7, G53-7FJ or G76-7G would all be great for the argent. First will take you about 1750 feet, second about 1300-1400, last about 1800.

I just watched the Apogee reloading video and it looks pretty simple. So I'm sold on the idea and love avoiding the dreaded Haz fee. Thank you for the the listing on engines.

I will weigh the body tomorrow. Not sure what she ways but it seems pretty light to me.

Does any one have a list of the original pro series kits?

Umm, Ventris, Partizon, Argent, Mega Der Red Max, Leviathan, Nike Smoke. I think I have at least one of each still, maybe an Argents and Ventris in the attic still in the package. Great kits.

Don't forget the Prowler.
And these are the Pro Series II.
There was a Pro Series (I) back in the day, decades ago.
Impulse, Patriot, HoJo, Maxi Force, Jayhawk...… there may be others (V-2?)
Oh, and for PSII there is the Star Orbiter, and the builders kits, which was only available from the Estes website: Panavia and Scion. I probably missed a couple.
Laters.

Here is a list of Pro Series II models:

9700: Leviathan
9701: Ventris
9702: Partizon
9703: Argent
9704: Nike Smoke
9705: Mega Der Red Max
9706: Ascender
9707: Majestic
9708: Mammoth
9709: Trajector
9710: Prowler
9711: n/a
9712: Scion
9713: Sahara
9714: (online only model using Ventris fins, according to John Boren)
9715: Panavia
9716: Star Orbiter
9717: ?
9718: ?
9719: Super Big Bertha
9752: Booster

The Sahara was online only as well and used the same fins as the Partizon and the body from the Argent.

Panavia used Argent find and 2 lengths of partizan body.

I dont recall seeing anything with ventris fins

Big_Red_Daddy said:

Here is a list of Pro Series II models:


9711: n/a
9714: (online only model using Ventris fins, according to John Boren)
9717: ?
9718: ?

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I am not sure about the 9714.

Big_Red_Daddy said:

Here is a list of Pro Series II models:

9700: Leviathan
9701: Ventris
9702: Partizon
9703: Argent
9704: Nike Smoke
9705: Mega Der Red Max
9706: Ascender
9707: Majestic
9708: Mammoth
9709: Trajector
9710: Prowler
9711: n/a
9712: Scion
9713: Sahara
9714: (online only model using Ventris fins, according to John Boren)
9715: Panavia
9716: Star Orbiter
9717: ?
9718: ?
9719: Super Big Bertha
9752: Booster

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I wonder what the 9714 model with Ventris fins was. The tabs are for the 2” tube, so I imagine it was just 2”” all the way up to the 2” nose cone. There aren’t really any other options with the PSII parts.

I think the Ventris fins are kind of a cool shape and would look good on a few other rockets. I think they would look good on a Big Daddy type rocket. Maybe scaled up a bit and the tab length would need to be adjusted, but that profile might look good on a short rocket.

Sonic said:

The Sahara was online only as well and used the same fins as the Partizon and the body from the Argent.

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I think that’s basically right, but the overall body length might be different from the Argent.

I agree. Argent had two 2.5 tubes, It appears the Sahara only had one 2.5 that transitioned to the 2"

Nyt and Thirsty: I love this discussion! Got me thinking again so rather than relying on faulty memory I pulled the instructions. The Scion, Panavia, and Sahara were basically SPEVs. Offered online only and meant to use up the left over parts from the original four PS IIs.
Scion used three of the four Leviathan fins, reverse mounted. Two of the Leviathan upper body tubes were included with a coupler. So you had to slot one body tube using an enclosed template. I remember it threw me off when I saw the plastic pack of four fins when only three were needed.
Panavia, as mentioned, used Argent fins and Partizon nose cone and body.
Sahara used Partizon fins on an Argent body, transition, and nose cone.
I guess a builders kit using Ventris parts was in the works, but never went to retail.
As I recall, they came in a plain plastic bag instead of a box, and no face card.
Only available for a few months directly from the Estes website.
As I recall the webpage said something like "when they're gone, they're gone".
Cheers.

Here are my Ventris and Argent clones. I am also cloning the Panavia and Partizon. Interchangeable tubes and other parts make it easy. I made good laser cutting fin files for all of them.

That's really cool, it's nice to see the (relative) big birds around.

Estes is ok with the repros since their OoP?

I don't know. I'm selling them as clones using Estes parts. I don't think they would care.

kuririn said:

Don't forget the Prowler.
And these are the Pro Series II.
There was a Pro Series (I) back in the day, decades ago.
Impulse, Patriot, HoJo, Maxi Force, Jayhawk...… there may be others (V-2?)
Oh, and for PSII there is the Star Orbiter, and the builders kits, which was only available from the Estes website: Panavia and Scion. I probably missed a couple.
Laters.

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The original series were the ones i was referring toz.
Patriot, Impulse, Jayhawk, Maxi force
Terrier/Sandhawk, there were more I think.

Just received a couple sets of Leviathan fins from Big Red Daddy for my clones, they are well made, fast shipping, well packaged for safe arrival, and I do not think that I could have purchased the plywood for the cost of the fins, great value. If you are doing PS II clones, definitely check with Big Red Daddy for the parts. I am assuming the full kits are just as satisfactory.

Zman1961 said:

Just received a couple sets of Leviathan fins from Big Red Daddy for my clones, they are well made, fast shipping, well packaged for safe arrival, and I do not think that I could have purchased the plywood for the cost of the fins, great value. If you are doing PS II clones, definitely check with Big Red Daddy for the parts. I am assuming the full kits are just as satisfactory.

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They look great. Have a couple, but I don’t plan on building them for a little while.

Zman1961 said:

Just received a couple sets of Leviathan fins from Big Red Daddy for my clones, they are well made, fast shipping, well packaged for safe arrival, and I do not think that I could have purchased the plywood for the cost of the fins, great value. If you are doing PS II clones, definitely check with Big Red Daddy for the parts. I am assuming the full kits are just as satisfactory.

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If you would like to read about the history of the 'original' Estes Pro Series kits and the part I played in their creation ( ) click on the link below to a thread about it on YORF:

https://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showthread.php?t=8736

Awesome story!

Initiator001 said:

If you would like to read about the history of the 'original' Estes Pro Series kits and the part I played in their creation ( ) click on the link below to a thread about it on YORF:

https://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showthread.php?t=8736

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Unfortunately the link to your enertek story has been lost to the gods of internet time

Nytrunner said:

Unfortunately the link to your enertek story has been lost to the gods of internet time

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Works fine for me . . .

https://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showthread.php?t=8736

Dave F.

I've read the PS story. I refer to the Enertek story

Update: which upon some assumption and fingerCrossing, I have found here (vv)

https://www.rocketryforum.com/threads/enertek.77904/

The link to rocketry forum archives goes to a poached domain. Fortunately the forum migration to new hosting has returned a bunch of the archived stuff

Ez2cDave said:

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Curious why you reposted my scan of those fins w/o any comments on why?

K'Tesh said:

Curious why you reposted my scan of those fins w/o any comments on why?

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In the first pic, the image was backwards. I reversed it and re-posted it.

Dave F.

Ez2cDave said:

In the first pic, the image was backwards. I reversed it and re-posted it.

Dave F.

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I see... When importing fin shapes into OR, the fin needs to point to the left, with the root edge at the bottom. I probably mirrored the image to allow me to do that.