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Since we are flying the Mega Darkstar in the 2-stage configuration for the first time we thought we would reward everybody for flying their Darkstars at LDRS.

We will be having a total commercial newton contest for each size Darkstar rocket. The newtons will be tallied up at close of range on Saturday and winners will be announced Sunday morning.

You can fly the rocket as many times as you want and keep racking up the newtons. All flights must be reported To Wildman’s prior to the flight and the rocket must be presented to Wildman’s immediately following the flight. The flights must also be successful and intact and able to fly again with no repairs.

So who every fly’s the most newtons in a Mini Darkstar will win the $50

And the same for the Jr Darkstar, ect,ect.


The following prizes will be awarded in each category

Mini Darkstar - $50.00 gift certificate

Junior Darkstar - $75.00 gift certificate

3-inch Darkstar - $100.00 gift certificate

4-inch Darkstar - $125.00 gift certificate

Ultimate Darkstar - $200.00 gift certificate
 
There's a Darkstar, or two (or three) in the rocket family photo. We can play. I've also been looking forward to sending red, yellow, white to kiss 19kft.

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Oh man can't wait.

Jeb
 

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I know it's to far to count it as 100% but the two week forecast for Argonia is showing high eighties to low nineties. Compared to what we have been getting here in Texas that is going to be some great weather.

Tim
 
TDSapp said:
I know it's to far to count it as 100% but the two week forecast for Argonia is showing high eighties to low nineties. Compared to what we have been getting here in Texas that is going to be some great weather.

Tim
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... but now you have jinxed us ;)
 
No rain on the 10 day forecast from WUnderground? Yikes. Hope it's not too dry out there!
 
A couple of answers to questions we are getting asked frequently ...

LDRS 38 preregistration is over; if you missed out, you can register at the field starting Thursday 8/29. Bring cash or a check because we cannot process credit cards at the field.

Certification for TRA level 1 and level 2 is possible and available at LDRS 38. Any Prefect, L3 TAP member or TRA Director can perform certification witness and sign-off. There should be several dozen of these in attendance. Ask for a certification form from them or at Registration. If you want to make a NAR certification you must arrange for forms and required witness(es) on your own.

We will have extra t-shirts at the field, but the number is limited. If you aren't coming and want some, arrange for someone you know to buy them for you.
 
llickteig1 said:
A couple of answers to questions we are getting asked frequently ... If you want to make a NAR certification you must arrange for forms and required witness(es) on your own.
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MC2 will have TRA and NAR members coming with certifications through L3. I know of at least 1 NAR cert attempt personally. As a result I will bring NAR cert forms and L2 exams. If you will let me know in advance I will have a packet ready for you.

See you there!

Allen Hall (NAR #98014, Tripoli #16881)(Level 2)
Vice President & NAR Advisor
Music City Missile Club (NAR Section #589, Tripoli Prefecture #134)
[email protected]
 
What is the policy on flying de-certified motors at the pasture? Have some G55's I'd love to have fun with, but want to make sure it's OK before I dig 'em out and bring them.
 
mrwalsh85 said:
What is the policy on flying de-certified motors at the pasture? Have some G55's I'd love to have fun with, but want to make sure it's OK before I dig 'em out and bring them.
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Right from the Tripoli Research Safety Code:
3.2.2.3.Decertified Motor. These motors have been decertified by the Tripoli Motor Testing (TMT), NAR Standards and Testing (S&T), or CAR Motor Certification Committee. These motors may NOT be used.
 
Not arguing with Bob, Mike, or myself. Just offering my thoughts and my understanding (having flown a lot of "expired" motors over the years).

If I'm not mistaken, Aerotech G55's are "expired motors" verses "decertified motors". IE: Aerotech no longer manufactures the 24mm G55, therefore didn't resubmit for re-certification when it was time to do so, and therefore, after the burn period lapsed, the G55 became an expired motor.

TRA Research code distinguishes between the two and later condones the use of Expired Motors in 7.4:

3.2.2.2. Expired Motor. Any previously certified motor, for which its certification has expired.
3.2.2.3. Decertified Motor. These motors have been decertified by the Tripoli Motor Testing (TMT), NAR Standards and Testing (S&T), or CAR Motor Certification Committee. These motors may NOT be used.

7.4. Approved Motors
7.4.1. Research Motors, Certified Motors, Expired Certified Motors and Commercial Motors Approved for Research Use Only shall be allowed at a Tripoli Research Launches.

There have been a few motors that were decertified over the years for safety reasons. Ones that come to mind are the Estes 24mm E15, 18mm C5 (with date codes of X, Y...or something like that), Aerotech J1999N, Ellis K400, etc.

A high power example of expired motors would by the classic AMW loads....IE Paul Robinson and co. prior to the AMW/Pro-X collaboration. Though the certification of the classic loads has lapsed, they are still okay to fly at Tripoli Research launches.

....at least that's always been my understanding. If it's de-certified for safety reasons, it's never okay to fly at any launch, on any range, TRA, NAR, or CAR. If it's just "old" and no longer manufactured, but once was certified and is no longer, it's okay to use under the TRA Research code. To that note...it would be nice if there was a comprehensive list of decertified motors somewhere.
 
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ECayemberg said:
Not arguing with Bob, Mike, or myself. Just offering my thoughts and my understanding (having flown a lot of "expired" motors over the years).

If I'm not mistaken, Aerotech G55's are "expired motors" verses "decertified motors". IE: Aerotech no longer manufactures the 24mm G55, therefore didn't resubmit for re-certification when it was time to do so, and therefore, after the burn period lapsed, the G55 became an expired motor.

TRA Research code distinguishes between the two and later condones the use of Expired Motors in 7.4:

3.2.2.2. Expired Motor. Any previously certified motor, for which its certification has expired.
3.2.2.3. Decertified Motor. These motors have been decertified by the Tripoli Motor Testing (TMT), NAR Standards and Testing (S&T), or CAR Motor Certification Committee. These motors may NOT be used.

7.4. Approved Motors
7.4.1. Research Motors, Certified Motors, Expired Certified Motors and Commercial Motors Approved for Research Use Only shall be allowed at a Tripoli Research Launches.

There have been a few motors that were decertified over the years for safety reasons. Ones that come to mind are the Estes 24mm E15, 18mm C5 (with date codes of X, Y...or something like that), Aerotech J1999N, Ellis K400, etc.

A high power example of expired motors would by the classic AMW loads....IE Paul Robinson and co. prior to the AMW/Pro-X collaboration. Though the certification of the classic loads has lapsed, they are still okay to fly at Tripoli Research launches.

....at least that's always been my understanding. If it's de-certified for safety reasons, it's never okay to fly at any launch, on any range, TRA, NAR, or CAR. If it's just "old" and no longer manufactured, but once was certified and is no longer, it's okay to use under the TRA Research code. To that note...it would be nice if there was a comprehensive list of decertified motors somewhere.
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Eric,
You are 100% correct! Mike mentioned they were decertified and I ran with it. I'm spending several hours a day answering questions and quite frankly didn't want to take the time to look up if this particular motor was expired or decertified.
Folks, let me answer a few of your questions here so that I won't have to do it again and again for the next 7 days. BTW, it 7 days because I leave for the Rocket Pasture on Tuesday morning and won't be checking emails on site. Can I? Yes! Will I? No. This is the answer to question 1 regarding telephone coverage. Cell phones work on the rocket pasture! With that said, may I suggest you put them away, watch some amazing flights and talk to the folks camped around you! You will get to know like minded folks from around the country and you don't have to type anything on a small screen with big fingers! Call it old school!
Question 2: Yes you can certify L1 or L2 at LDRS! Yes you can take the L2 test! Our club is set up to make this easy for you if you are a TRA member but there will be tons of NAR folks who will help you with this.
Question 3: Parking will be tight this LDRS! There will be room for everyone! No you cannot have one guy show up early and hold multiple campsites for your buddies that will show up later. This is unfair to the folks who follow right after you. If you and your buddies take up a lot of space, you will be asked to consolidate making sure there is space for everyone.
Question 4: If you are not a registered flyer, you will not be allowed to park/set up a camp on the Rocket Pasture. Being a member of either national organization doesn't count. This is to ensure there is space for every registered flyer on the rocket pasture. Non-registered folks are welcome to set up on the pasture north of 80th street. Registered flyers will be given a parking pass for their vehicles. Cars without passes will be asked to move. Please don't give the volunteer who has the crummy job of asking you to move your car any grief! He then comes back to me and complains! Fair warning, if I have to get involved there is a much better than even chance it won't end well! Just sayin!
Question 5: If you are over 18, you have to be a member of one of the two national organizations in order to fly a low power rocket. This is an insurance thing.
Question 6: you can bring any type of four wheeler you want and can ride it on the Rocket Pasture and any of the surrounding dirt roads. Stay out of the farmers fields! All of them regardless of what they look like!
Question 7: No you can't put an igniter in your motor in your camp including head end ignition. We will have a prep area away for the crowds out by the away RSO for you to safely do this. Fair warning, if you show up to RSO with an igniter in place, you will be turned away. Don't do this!
Question 8: we will be providing dumpsters and trash bins. We, however, are not sanitation workers! It's you responsibility to get you trash into the dumpsters. If you fill one of the small trash bins, go dump it! This will take less time than finding the correct one of us who then has to round up someone who isn't already overworked to take care of your problem. Thank you in advance for doing this! One more thing, there will not be any recycle containers on site. If this is something you want to do take it home with you and put it in your bins.

Folks, this LDRS is going to be 25% or so bigger than any event ever held at the Rocket Pasture. We believe we have procedures in place to deal with 99.99% of what may come up. For the 0.01%, bear with us as we work through how to best handle it. If something needs to be addressed, find one of the volunteers in a blue vest. We will try to rectify the situation.
Our goal is everyone enjoys their experience and no one gets hurt. We need your help in meeting these goals. Please be sure what you are doing is safe! We processed over 1,370,000' of high altitude requests! This should be a great time! See you there!
Bob Brown
Launch Director, LDRS 38
 
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Eric,

There is a combined (TRA, NAR, CAR) motor list on the website. Located here (It is listed on the Tripoli Motor Testing Committe page: https://www.nar.org/SandT/pdf/CombinedMotorsByImpulse.pdf

It lists the G55.

mrwalsh85 said:
What is the policy on flying de-certified motors at the pasture? Have some G55's I'd love to have fun with, but want to make sure it's OK before I dig 'em out and bring them.
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Is this the G55 you are speaking of?
 
davdue said:
Eric,

There is a combined (TRA, NAR, CAR) motor list on the website. Located here (It is listed on the Tripoli Motor Testing Committe page: https://www.nar.org/SandT/pdf/CombinedMotorsByImpulse.pdf

It lists the G55.



Is this the G55 you are speaking of?
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Hi Dave,

Thanks! I can't speak for Mike, but I believe he's talking about the ol' 24mm Aerotech G55 White Lightning. They were limited run motors that came with 5,10, and 15 second delays. They were "the original" 24mm G motors. I flew a few...and miss them! The one on the Combined List is a West Coast Hybrid load, which I'm not familiar with.

What I would love to see (and would be willing to compile if I knew where to find the data) is a list of the relatively few motors that have been Decertified over the years. If such a list existed, it would be easier to say "thou shall not fly x motor because it appears on said list.
 
BBrown said:
Eric,
You are 100% correct! Mike mentioned they were decertified and I ran with it. I'm spending several hours a day answering questions and quite frankly didn't want to take the time to look up if this particular motor was expired or decertified.
Folks, let me answer a few of your questions here so that I won't have to do it again and again for the next 7 days. BTW, it 7 days because I leave for the Rocket Pasture on Tuesday morning and won't be checking emails on site. Can I? Yes! Will I? No. This is the answer to question 1 regarding telephone coverage. Cell phones work on the rocket pasture! With that said, may I suggest you put them away, watch some amazing flights and talk to the folks camped around you! You will get to know like minded folks from around the country and you don't have to type anything on a small screen with big fingers! Call it old school!
Question 2: Yes you can certify L1 or L2 at LDRS! Yes you can take the L2 test! Our club is set up to make this easy for you if you are a TRA member but there will be tons of NAR folks who will help you with this.
Question 3: Parking will be tight this LDRS! There will be room for everyone! No you cannot have one guy show up early and hold multiple campsites for your buddies that will show up later. This is unfair to the folks who follow right after you. If you and your buddies take up a lot of space, you will be asked to consolidate making sure there is space for everyone.
Question 4: If you are not a registered flyer, you will not be allowed to park/set up a camp on the Rocket Pasture. Being a member of either national organization doesn't count. This is to ensure there is space for every registered flyer on the rocket pasture. Non-registered folks are welcome to set up on the pasture north of 80th street. Registered flyers will be given a parking pass for their vehicles. Cars without passes will be asked to move. Please don't give the volunteer who has the crummy job of asking you to move your car any grief! He then comes back to me and complains! Fair warning, if I have to get involved there is a much better than even chance it won't end well! Just sayin!
Question 5: If you are over 18, you have to be a member of one of the two national organizations in order to fly a low power rocket. This is an insurance thing.
Question 6: you can bring any type of four wheeler you want and can ride it on the Rocket Pasture and any of the surrounding dirt roads. Stay out of the farmers fields! All of them regardless of what they look like!
Question 7: No you can't put an igniter in your motor in your camp including head end ignition. We will have a prep area away for the crowds out by the away RSO for you to safely do this. Fair warning, if you show up to RSO with an igniter in place, you will be turned away. Don't do this!
Question 8: we will be providing dumpsters and trash bins. We, however, are not sanitation workers! It's you responsibility to get you trash into the dumpsters. If you fill one of the small trash bins, go dump it! This will take less time than finding the correct one of us who then has to round up someone who isn't already overworked to take care of your problem. Thank you in advance for doing this! One more thing, there will not be an recycle containers on site. If this is something you want to do take it home with you and put it in your bins.

Folks, this LDRS is going to be 25% or so bigger than any event ever held at the Rocket Pasture. We believe we have procedures in place to deal with 99.99% of what may come up. For the 0.01%, bear with us as we work through how to best handle it. If something needs to be addressed, find one of the volunteers in a blue vest. We will try to rectify the situation.
Our goal is everyone enjoys their experience and no one gets hurt. We need your help in meeting these goals. Please be sure what you are doing is safe! We processed over 1,370,000' of high altitude requests! This should be a great time! See you there!
Bob Brown
Launch Director, LDRS 38
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Bob,

You guys are the best; many of us thank you in advance. Putting on such an event is a HUGE undertaking; and the Kloudbusters do it in style! Can't wait to volunteer, participate, and experience another Labor day weekend on the Rocket Pasture!!!

THANK YOU BOB and Crew!!!
 
ECayemberg said:
Not arguing with Bob, Mike, or myself. Just offering my thoughts and my understanding (having flown a lot of "expired" motors over the years).

If I'm not mistaken, Aerotech G55's are "expired motors" verses "decertified motors". IE: Aerotech no longer manufactures the 24mm G55, therefore didn't resubmit for re-certification when it was time to do so, and therefore, after the burn period lapsed, the G55 became an expired motor.

TRA Research code distinguishes between the two and later condones the use of Expired Motors in 7.4:

3.2.2.2. Expired Motor. Any previously certified motor, for which its certification has expired.
3.2.2.3. Decertified Motor. These motors have been decertified by the Tripoli Motor Testing (TMT), NAR Standards and Testing (S&T), or CAR Motor Certification Committee. These motors may NOT be used.

7.4. Approved Motors
7.4.1. Research Motors, Certified Motors, Expired Certified Motors and Commercial Motors Approved for Research Use Only shall be allowed at a Tripoli Research Launches.

There have been a few motors that were decertified over the years for safety reasons. Ones that come to mind are the Estes 24mm E15, 18mm C5 (with date codes of X, Y...or something like that), Aerotech J1999N, Ellis K400, etc.

A high power example of expired motors would by the classic AMW loads....IE Paul Robinson and co. prior to the AMW/Pro-X collaboration. Though the certification of the classic loads has lapsed, they are still okay to fly at Tripoli Research launches.

....at least that's always been my understanding. If it's de-certified for safety reasons, it's never okay to fly at any launch, on any range, TRA, NAR, or CAR. If it's just "old" and no longer manufactured, but once was certified and is no longer, it's okay to use under the TRA Research code. To that note...it would be nice if there was a comprehensive list of decertified motors somewhere.
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Simple solution, come to Maryland and fly at an MDRA launch... since not Nar or Tripoli sanctioned, those rules do not apply. Remember they are rules of those organizations, not the law.
 
DAllen said:
lulz



Notice the bolded does not say geologist. That says all I need to know about the credibility of that article.
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There is a lot of BS in that article. The part to the west of the San Andreas fault is moving northwards, not up or down, so the claim of CA dropping into the ocean is false, (that is what Lex Luthor wanted to do...lol). It does not take that much of a temblor to know stuff off of shelves, cats do that all the time. I watched beer glasses swinging back and forth in Las Vegas when the larger California quakes occurred. Felt like a magnitude 2.5 or so. Example:
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/ci3031111/executive
As to the midwest, there is likelihood of a big one sometime along the Mississippi river, in Missouri. The last one was a long time ago when there were few people there.
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/events/1811-1812newmadrid/summary.php
 

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