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This is the step that will disqualify most of us. ;)
Once you sign the legally-binding contract, you can be sued for breach of contract, once it is in effect.

Dave F.
Yes, in that you are absolutely correct. IF my daughter and I get that far, I will do my best to make certain that I understand and comprehend what I'm signing. If they won't budge on the legal verbiage in areas where I deem it necessary, then, as I said. I will withdraw (before I sign.) In an earlier lifetime, I've had my share of being in the limelight and I cherish no motivation to do so again. My post defines my motivation in this instance and if that motivation is withdrawn, there's nothing in it for me.

Here's a pic of me holding my daughter's first rocket which she 'built' when she was 4. The rocket is now 22 years old.

Here's a video of my daughter on-screen. You can see why if we get any further than the video personality step, it won't be my fault. (p.s. the Weber bassoon concerto recording music is mine. I was a concert and solo bassoonist with numerous solo competition wins and world-wide tours. The joys of parallel universes...)
 

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I have spent years diligently working to inform/instruct/and contaminate many elementary school children with the joy of diligent and investigative science. Rocketry has been by far the most successful vehicle for infection. Deductive thought processes are competing with smart devices the latter of which effortlessly offer seductive and addictive entertainment. I am not a teacher (only a volunteer for STEM programs) but even on the outside rim as I am, I clearly see how nearly impossible it is to engage our children.

I truly 'get' the desire to not be linked or involved with the scams of reality shows and their absurd pretense at reality. However, in this instance, I am firmly positioned on the side that says, "If we turn our backs on an opportunity to improve the situation, then we are part of the problem. Most certainly we are not providing any useful solutions." If every cast member on the proposed show was a certified rocketeer, do you think we might have some say or sway on the direction of the program and how they represent rocketry? Who cares if the personal interactions are 'enhanced' - that has nothing to do with rocketry (but does with showbiz.) Who cares if they dramatize and create not-entirely-realistic time-frames and deadlines - that has nothing to do with rocketry (but does with showbiz.) I do care quite a bit about the framework of safety within which we _must_ abide in order to not go home in a hearse. Let them do all the showbiz they want, let _us_ take full advantage of this golden opportunity to inject an enthusiastic dose of reality into their reality. With all due respect to NAR/TRA, et. al., I believe we should do everything we can to get in on such an effort and actively participate in a safe (if not spectacularly entertaining) presentation, rather than turn our backs on it with nostrils pinched high and tight.

To that end: I have applied for consideration as a cast member. And here are some facts I've learned in the process:
1- The casting company, Wyldside, is just that, a casting company. They know absolutely nothing about the proposed program. Period. They are simply the first step in the vetting process. I have tendered my interest alongside my daughter as a father/daughter rocketry duo (she's 26 and extremely natural on-screen -- I'm hoping they'll notice her and give me, Mr. Grumpy Pants a grudging pass). She and I enjoyed the phone-conference interview and have been passed on to step 2.
2- I have to submit photos of me with some of my rockets which will be passed along to the next step/interview
3- Step 2 is a skype interview with the uppers of the casting company. The successful candidates of the video interview will have their interview footage cut into a short 'personality' video that will then be passed along to step 3.
4- The twice-vetted proposed cast candidates will be presented to a production company along with the proposal pitch. YES - YOU READ THAT RIGHT. This isn't even a 'real' project yet. Some producer (Netflix, whatever/whoever) has to like it and decide to fund it first! (this is why there is little to no info on GOOGLE.)
5- This is now the real FIRST STEP. AFTER a production company picks up the pitched program proposal, they will comb through the stack of vetted candidates and whittle them down. THEN and ONLY then will the actual candidates and alternates be selected and informed. Till this point, it's all pie-in-the-sky tending toward a quietly executed CATO into oblivion.
6- I think at this point additional interviews will occur and finally production will begin. Given standard timetables, this is likely not to be aired until next fall, if at all. The chances are slim at best.

During my first interview, the casting company asked what I thought about the concept of unconventional build materials to which I replied, "as long as the producers understand and implement the FAA, NFPA, and other regulations related to legal and safe build materials, it should be an exciting challenge."

(I must add at this point, that if at any point in the process I find that safety and reason are going to be ignored or that I am required in the interest of entertainment to do something, anything, that I find objectionable, I will withdraw. Saddened that the effort to 'do it right' is most likely to be set aside once again. I must also point out that there must be an opportunity somewhere along in this process for NAR/TRA members to be used as consultants. Again, turning our collective backs is to relinquish opportunity to shape, to mold, to guide, and possibly have our hand on the rudder.)

Even at the very first step, we have an opportunity to press, press, press safety and our strict adherence to those protocols. Press safety codes at every opportunity while demonstrating their implementation in the course of real science. And, we must be willing to recognize our own reality; we aren't grass-growth scientists for a reason. While it's not my preferred outcome, I still love it when my toys explode (with a spectacularly safe loud bang.) It is after all, rocket science.

Ok it make more sense. Thanks!
 
Art,
I know Ryan and he’s a good guy. I don’t know you personally but I know you’re passionate and you’re a candidate for the Tripoli BoD. I find that attacking our members is an ineffective way to run for the board.
From the beginning people have always enjoyed watching catos and crashes. It’s obvious from the videos that Ryan put together that the Safety Codes functioned, preventing any harm to people or property. That’s completely different from people who post videos of themselves violating the Safety Codes in order to become famous or infamous.
As far as Ryan making any of these up, I attended Sodblaster 1 last year and saw some of them as well as contributing to the carnage. In the second video that’s my orange IQSY Tomahawk suffering a forward closure failure on a single use motor at 18:18.
Steve
Steve, unlike you, I don't know Ryan. All I have to judge him by is his words and actions. He chose to create and post CATO videos while at the same time criticizing people, he doesn't know, of doing the exact same thing. Does he have any actual facts to back up his vociferous attacks on complete strangers? At best, it's hypocritical and I don't hesitate to say as much.
I don't disagree with much of what you are saying. When I look at a CATO themed video, it's from the context of a person who has seen thousands of perfect flights. I understand that failures are the exception. However, rockets hitting buildings and landing in spectator areas demonstrate failures of our safety codes, not successes.
If I step back and look at these videos through the eyes of someone who is NOT familiar with our hobby, safety codes and procedures, it looks like failure are in the majority. It also looks like there is real possibility of personal injury or property damage. Hearing so many people screaming "Heads up" with panic in their voices does not give the impression of a safe activity.
How many of 320,000+ viewers of Ryan's CATO videos know anything about our hobby? Without the context of actual launches, in their entirety, Folks are likely to conclude it's an event that too dangerous to bring their family to. Conversely, it is likely to attract thrill seekers and risk takers. People who feel the rules don't apply to them.
I'm not candidate for the TRA BOD because I agree with everyone, quite the contrary. It doesn't concern me that my candidacy is a long shot either. It's just like HPR cert. flights, I can try as often as I like and I only have to get lucky once. I've succeeded at things with longer odds than winning third place in a popularity contest.

Art Applewhite
Don't fear failure,
Fear not trying.
 
There are certain desirable qualifications for people to competently serve on the Board. Some people have them, while others do not, and never will.

Generally-speaking, "hand-wringers" don't do well in Politics . . .

Dave F.
 
1- The casting company, Wyldside, is just that, a casting company. They know absolutely nothing about the proposed program.
Do you know who their customer is? It'd be nice to know who, company or individual, is proposing to create this show. One could then look up what other shows that person or company has made to try to het an idea of the likely BS level.

The outlets, i.e. Netflix, Discovery, etc., are not the production companies; they buy content from production companies. Sometimes they commission content and I guess sometimes the production companies pitch to them. So whoever the outlet may eventually be matters less than the company actually making the show.
 
Art, as I have tried explaining, there is a big difference between compiling events that have happened (like what I did), and presenting staged events as reality (like reality TV producers do). I even gave you a firsthand example of a reality producer doing just that.

Honestly I hope you don't get the BOD position, not because you disagree with me, but because you're just so disagreeable while doing so. For you to take an opinion I have given (along with supporting evidence), and turn it into an ad hominem about me personally, certainly doesn't bode well for your leadership abilities.
 
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Honestly I hope you don't get the BOD position, not because you disagree with me, but because you're just so disagreeable while doing so. For you to take an opinion I have given (along with supporting evidence), and turn it into an ad hominem about me personally, certainly doesn't bode well for your leadership abilities.

Like I said above . . . There are those who are "Board Material" and those who are not.

Dave F.
 
Like I said above . . . There are those who are "Board Material" and those who are not.

Dave F.
I agree. Pine, Cedar, Spruce even Balsa are board material. Cactus might not be but you don't know until you try.
Art Applewhite
 
Concerned it could be like "Master Blasters".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Blasters

That one was basically: Do dumb s***, make a laughing stock of the hobby, for a few minutes of "fame".



Also, "Killer Lawn Darts" - intentionally launching a series of big HPR rockets with no recovery device, to stick nose first into the ground near a target.

Great, that's how the one rocket fatality in this hobby happened (not on that show, BTW). A rocket with no recovery device, nose glued on, crashing on purpose (the person killed was the builder).
 
Also, "Killer Lawn Darts" - intentionally launching a series of big HPR rockets with no recovery device, to stick nose first into the ground near a target.

Hello, George !

As I recall, the "target" was a vehicle, parked it the middle of a large "bulls-eye", painted on the ground.

Dave F.
 
Art, as I have tried explaining, there is a big difference between compiling events that have happened (like what I did), and presenting staged events as reality (like reality TV producers do). I even gave you a firsthand example of a reality producer doing just that.

Honestly I hope you don't get the BOD position, not because you disagree with me, but because you're just so disagreeable while doing so. For you to take an opinion I have given (along with supporting evidence), and turn it into an ad hominem about me personally, certainly doesn't bode well for your leadership abilities.

Everybody, please stop trying to explain the "big difference" to me. You right, I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
By definition, there can be no harm to the hobby if the CATOs, crashes and close calls are real, filmed at actual launches, and edited by an exemplary member of the model rocket community. They're only harmful if they are scripted and edited by someone from the "outside". I know ALL reality TV productions are staged. Why wouldn't they be? They only ask for hobbyists because they are trying to give the "illusion" of reality. The best way to do that is get a bunch of amateurs, who are easily manipulated into doing things they know are unsafe.

It's certainly a good to know that the "big difference" is clear to all the 320,000+ people from all corners of the planet who saw the video below
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I'm surprised that the NAR and TRA don't have links to these educational videos on their web sites. I'm sure viewing them will be a great recruitment tools. Everyone will be much more at ease about the safety of our hobby after seeing them. We may even find that "CATO envy" will motivate people to "try" to fly bigger rockets and motors.

I've received a great many heartfelt personal messages from TRA members who share your hope that I "don't get the BOD position". They number in the thousands and I apologize that I can't personally respond to each and every one of them. Their messages are certainly more numerous that the few who, out of pity, have given me encouragement and succor. Frankly I have no expectations of receiving any votes. I can't in good faith even vote for myself. It would certainly validate the election process if there was a big, fat zero next to my name then the election results are posted. In my estimation, voting for me is dumber than drawing to an inside straight. Absolutely against all "conventional" wisdom.

I'm not a politician, I'm an alternative. A vote for me is nothing less than a protest against the 3fnc hegemony that rightfully dominates the hobby. I'm not the guy you should vote for if you're perfectly happy with the status quo. You should also know this about me. When I encounter an empty can in the street, I stomp it flat and throw it in the nearest recycle bin rather than kick it down the road. The "average" TRA member should never vote for me. My ideas, like the rockets in some extremely popular YouTube videos, are plainly "dangerous".
Art Applewhite
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"Just went I thought I was out...they keep pulling me back in."
 
As you know . . . I meant "Board Member" material, serving either for Tripoli or NAR. ( i.e. - to serve in an office of "leadership capacity" )
Maybe you should be on the election committee so you can weed out the clearly "unqualified", such a people with a sense of humor.
 
Concerned it could be like "Master Blasters".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Blasters

That one was basically: Do dumb s***, make a laughing stock of the hobby, for a few minutes of "fame".



Also, "Killer Lawn Darts" - intentionally launching a series of big HPR rockets with no recovery device, to stick nose first into the ground near a target.

Great, that's how the one rocket fatality in this hobby happened (not on that show, BTW). A rocket with no recovery device, nose glued on, crashing on purpose (the person killed was the builder).

Thank goodness none of the TRA L3s or TRA BOD members who were contestants on that show were killed during it's filming. Don't forget, none of the rockets flown during that series managed to properly deploy a parachute despite the valiant efforts of a cast of "experts".
Art Applewhite
 
Do you know who their customer is? It'd be nice to know who, company or individual, is proposing to create this show. One could then look up what other shows that person or company has made to try to het an idea of the likely BS level.

The outlets, i.e. Netflix, Discovery, etc., are not the production companies; they buy content from production companies. Sometimes they commission content and I guess sometimes the production companies pitch to them. So whoever the outlet may eventually be matters less than the company actually making the show.
A little bird told me it was the Science channel. What could possibly go wrong?
 
Obviously, I'm dumb as a plank.
:)

I got the joke, wooden you know it?

Art,
I don’t believe for one minute that you’re dumb. Nor do I believe you shouldn’t be running for the board. It really is good for organizations to not have directors who agree on everything. And if you are elected you’ll find out that we frequently have initial disagreements (almost always politely) and we work through them until we find a solution that’s a good compromise.
I also appreciate your passion and the effort it takes to serve as a Prefect. I know from personal experience that it requires a lot of time.
Thank you for running for the board and for having the chutzpah to speak out on subjects you obviously feel strongly about. All of us should do that.
 
Glad all this is happening on social media platforms that I don't have accounts on. That way I am not tempted. ;) Still think they missed the bust by not posting here on TRF.
 
Looks like the initial emails were compiled from the contact info on the NAR sections page, which is public info. I believe that is how our club's honcho was contacted. Now the casting company is expanding to social media, which might attract all kinds of "rocketry" yahoos. I doubt that the company knows about the rocketry forums.
 
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A little bird told me it was the Science channel.
I'm really not asking who'll air it, but who's making it. By analogy, if I hear about a new show about a group of friends who solve crimes, I get useful information by finding out whether is Donald Bellisario or Aaron Spelling, but don't care whether it's CBS or ABC.

Now the casting company is expanding to social media...
Which might mean they didn't get enough nibbles the first way.
 
I got two emails about this....one sent to the TARC mentor list and one sent to the NAR club contacts list. Look at what “wyldside media” claims for their credits on their web site. That’s all I need to be more than a little skeptical this would be a good thing for us.
 
Do you know who their customer is? It'd be nice to know who, company or individual, is proposing to create this show. One could then look up what other shows that person or company has made to try to het an idea of the likely BS level.

The outlets, i.e. Netflix, Discovery, etc., are not the production companies; they buy content from production companies. Sometimes they commission content and I guess sometimes the production companies pitch to them. So whoever the outlet may eventually be matters less than the company actually making the show.

At this point, It would seem, though I can't tell for sure, that no one has picked up the idea yet - I could be wrong here, but I would take it that the idea has yet to even be pitched.
 

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