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Made me smile recalling a scene from the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
 
Go to a doctor without insurance, see how fast they deny you. I know Apple's and oranges.

If they have the capacity AND you agree to pay the price, they sure as heck WILL NOT turn you away. Matter of fact, point of sale (cash) price is often much cheaper than insurance price for many basic services. Applies to dental services, too.
 
The legal theory is quantum meruit. The medical services are rendered and the recipient is liable for the value of the services. You cannot buy a boat while unconscious. But you can receive valuable medical services while unconscious, even though you have not contracted for them. Imagine a doctor saying, "I will not treat him. He doesn't have a contract with me obligating me to provide medical services."

I just had a 1L flashback. Not cool.
 
The thread isnt making me LoL, let's ease it back

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Other metric users: Almost everyone involved in every facet of engineering and manufacturing.

We've reached a point where the only people still using SAE/Imperial are people restoring old cars, tractors, and industrial equipment. It's a legacy thing like COBOL, FORTRAN, or Netware. Dinosaurs. If you're not thinking in metric these days you must have one foot in the grave...both literally and professionally.
 
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Other metric users: Almost everyone involved in every facet of engineering and manufacturing.

We've reached a point where the only people still using SAE/Imperial are people restoring old cars, tractors, and industrial equipment. It's a legacy thing like COBOL, FORTRAN, or Netware. Dinosaurs. If you're not thinking in metric these days you must have one foot in the grave...both literally and professionally.

Most of our military tech manuals still use SAE/Imperial. I guess the USAF has one foot in the grave.
 
Other metric users: Almost everyone involved in every facet of engineering and manufacturing.

We've reached a point where the only people still using SAE/Imperial are people restoring old cars, tractors, and industrial equipment. It's a legacy thing like COBOL, FORTRAN, or Netware. Dinosaurs. If you're not thinking in metric these days you must have one foot in the grave...both literally and professionally.

We don’t use metric in business aviation. My previous job in transit buses didn’t use metric either. I have been an engineer for 30 years and the only place I use metric is for wrenches on cars and in school. So I guess I must have one foot in the grave.
 
We don’t use metric in business aviation. My previous job in transit buses didn’t use metric either. I have been an engineer for 30 years and the only place I use metric is for wrenches on cars and in school. So I guess I must have one foot in the grave.

Wow. I work as a quality engineer for a large machining firm that does global work for automotive, aviation, automation, and custom jobs and I have yet to see anything that's not in metric.

I haven't seen imperial since I worked at a little mom-and-pop that did stuff for farms. I think they're out of business now.
 
Wow. I work as a quality engineer for a large machining firm that does global work for automotive, aviation, automation, and custom jobs and I have yet to see anything that's not in metric.

I haven't seen imperial since I worked at a little mom-and-pop that did stuff for farms. I think they're out of business now.

Just cross-checked with a friend that works for Boeing...yeah the're doing everything in metric...
 
Other metric users: Almost everyone involved in every facet of engineering and manufacturing.

We've reached a point where the only people still using SAE/Imperial are people restoring old cars, tractors, and industrial equipment. It's a legacy thing like COBOL, FORTRAN, or Netware. Dinosaurs. If you're not thinking in metric these days you must have one foot in the grave...both literally and professionally.

Probably the best explanation for preferring imperial over metric I’ve ever read: https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/6j163d/why_imperial_is_better_than_metric/

And yes I use both so I guess I do have one foot in the grave, but which one depends on the application...[emoji4] (this was not meant as an attack on the metric system. Simply an explanation that both are useful.)
 
Wow. I work as a quality engineer for a large machining firm that does global work for automotive, aviation, automation, and custom jobs and I have yet to see anything that's not in metric.

I haven't seen imperial since I worked at a little mom-and-pop that did stuff for farms. I think they're out of business now.

There is no doubt that you're NOT in the defense industry. Darn near EVERYTHING US military surface and aviation is in SAE. Same with all of the USNS fleet and 99% of the commercial shipping vessels that I've worked on, old or new. Even most of the stuff that we've purchased from elsewhere gets reworked with SAE hardware.

US companies doing international business often work in metric, and that's because the foreign made piece/parts are cheaper than they could source from US sources.
 
Other metric users: Almost everyone involved in every facet of engineering and manufacturing.
Well, certainly everyone who deals with volts, amps, etc., but only because there are no imperial units for those*.
We've reached a point where the only people still using SAE/Imperial are people restoring old cars, tractors, and industrial equipment. It's a legacy thing like COBOL, FORTRAN, or Netware. Dinosaurs.
We need a better word for this sentiment. Dinosaurs are dead and gone. COBOL and FORTRAN are, undeniably if regrettably, very much alive. Imperial units, on the other hand, while perhaps as old as figurative dinosaurs, are alive and strongly kicking; they're figurative crocodiles.
If you're not thinking in metric these days you must have one foot in the grave...both literally and professionally.
I don't think having a broken leg and torn groin muscle would have anything to do with thinking in imperial units.

If true, [the use of SAE/imperial units withing the US military is] alarming.
Surprising: perhaps; obviously you are surprised. Alarming: Why?

Wow. I work as a quality engineer for a large machining firm that does global...
Stop right there. "Global" is the key word.

I work for a manufacturer of passenger rail vehicles. Specifically, an American arm of a French owned global company that provides rolling stock, facilities, and services to passenger rail all over the world. When my customers are in most parts of the world my designs and documents are all metric. With US customers they're imperial. With Canadian customers they're metric with imperial equivalents in parentheses.

Incidentally, I haven't seen anything referred to as SAE since I bought some wrenches. Most of us say English or imperial; if you're saying SAE then you're probably getting oil on your hands.

I'd be happy to see the US get with the program and go metric. I'm not holding my breath. And you're kidding yourself if you think that we're there, or even just that our engineering and manufacturing sectors are there.

* OK, I know someone is going to pull out some amazingly obscure imperial electrical units. Go ahead, lemme have it.
 
* OK, I know someone is going to pull out some amazingly obscure imperial electrical units. Go ahead, lemme have it.

*The volt is a derived SI unit (which can be written as joule per coulomb), but there are other more obscure units such as the statvolt which is used in cgs and gaussian units. That isn't "imperial" per se, but it is used. Other systems of measurement have different definitions for the base units of charge and energy, so it may be possible to come up with even more obscure units for electric potential.

*yes, I had to bite :)
 
Just cross-checked with a friend that works for Boeing...yeah the're doing everything in metric...
Your friend lied.
Just cross-checked with myself and all my friends that work for Boeing...yeah we're doing everything in imperial. But OK - it is a large company. Sort of depends on the product. Airbus has to do some things in imperial to match the aviation world. They build interior components to attach to 1" seat-track spacing. Or they build them to attach to 25.4mm spacing. I once got a document from an Airbus subsidiary with a torque in decaNewtons. No length of moment arm. I had to ask the French engineer whether cm or meters. He didn't know, so he had to look it up. Turns out the French are just as confused by the metric system as are the English. The Germans seem to have it down, though. My Italian aviation stories involve witnesses to a mafia hit.
 
Other metric users: Almost everyone involved in every facet of engineering and manufacturing.

We've reached a point where the only people still using SAE/Imperial are people restoring old cars, tractors, and industrial equipment. It's a legacy thing like COBOL, FORTRAN, or Netware. Dinosaurs. If you're not thinking in metric these days you must have one foot in the grave...both literally and professionally.


Yeah, that's kind of insulting. Just because you use it exclusively doesn't make metric better, or mean that everyone else should.
 
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