Can I use 3 cesaroni spacers?

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So it turns out that you can use 2 normal AND an XL spacer on the 38mm CTI. This means that you could just buy a 3 grain and 6XL to cover all the 38mm reloads, awesome!

NO. Check the NAR chart and the CTI instruction sheet again. https://www.pro38.com/pdfs/Pro38_Case_Spacer.pdf

As per CTI's instruction sheet, the 6gXL is can ONLY be used for a 6XL, 6, or 5 grain load. NAR list shows the same thing.

Minimum hardware to cover all the 38mm reloads would be a 6XL (for 6xl, 6, 5g loads), a 4g (for 4, 3, and 2g loads), a 1g (for 1g loads), 1 XL spacer, and 2 standard spacers.
 
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NO. Check the NAR chart and the CTI instruction sheet again. https://www.pro38.com/pdfs/Pro38_Case_Spacer.pdf

As per CTI's instruction sheet, the 6gXL is can ONLY be used for a 6XL, 6, or 5 grain load. NAR list shows the same thing.

Minimum hardware to cover all the 38mm reloads would be a 6XL (for 6xl, 6, 5g loads), a 4g (for 4, 3, and 2g loads), a 1g (for 1g loads), 1 XL spacer, and 2 standard spacers.
I never noticed that the 6xl was a spacer + XL longer than the 6 grain. I always assumed it was just the XL spacer longer so that's where my misunderstanding is from. So you can use 3 spacers (2 normal and 1 xl) but it only goes down to 5 grain, makes sense.
 
NAR list shows 2 normal + XL. XL spacer makes it a normal 6 grain so the 2 normal spacers would make it 4 grains, would it not?

No. Each series has slightly different instructions.

6XL case + XL spacer + 1 standard spacer = 6g
6XL case + XL spacer + 2 standard spacers = 5gCTI 6XL case.jpg
 
NO. Check the NAR chart and the CTI instruction sheet again. https://www.pro38.com/pdfs/Pro38_Case_Spacer.pdf

As per CTI's instruction sheet, the 6gXL is can ONLY be used for a 6XL, 6, or 5 grain load. NAR list shows the same thing.

Minimum hardware to cover all the 38mm reloads would be a 6XL (for 6xl, 6, 5g loads), a 4g (for 4, 3, and 2g loads), a 1g (for 1g loads), 1 XL spacer, and 2 standard spacers.

That requires three cases and three spacers. I think the minimum hardware would actually be to have three cases and the two regular spacers:
Cases: 6XL, 6, and 3.
Spacers: 2 standard.
 
Quick check of CS Rocketry gives the following Pro38 breakdown .

Buying new and not getting the set, DaveW's plan is most economical and gives least weight for 1grain flying.
I have the 2nd set because I got the cert-special 2gr and bought accordingly as I progressed (yard sale).
Steve's set eliminates need for xl spacer, but is the most expensive if you're unable to buy the starter set.
(If you already have a ProDat from 29mm flying, subtract 18.99 from the initial sets, and Set 1 and 2 beat the starter set again)

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Quick check of CS Rocketry gives the following Pro38 breakdown .

Buying new and not getting the set, DaveW's plan is most economical and gives least weight for 1grain flying.
I have the 2nd set because I got the cert-special 2gr and bought accordingly as I progressed (yard sale).
Steve's set eliminates need for xl spacer, but is the most expensive if you're unable to buy the starter set.
(If you already have a ProDat from 29mm flying, subtract 18.99 from the initial sets, and Set 1 and 2 beat the starter set again)

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Good analysis!
 
I am probably throwing a can of worms in here, and if so, I apologize in advance. But it should be noted that sometimes you need a shorter case to fit the motor into the available MMT length. IOW, if your rocket can handle a 3G motor, but you want to use a 5G case and two spacers, make darn sure you have room for a 5G case in your booster!
 
I am probably throwing a can of worms in here, and if so, I apologize in advance. But it should be noted that sometimes you need a shorter case to fit the motor into the available MMT length. IOW, if your rocket can handle a 3G motor, but you want to use a 5G case and two spacers, make darn sure you have room for a 5G case in your booster!

Good point!
 
I am probably throwing a can of worms in here, and if so, I apologize in advance. But it should be noted that sometimes you need a shorter case to fit the motor into the available MMT length. IOW, if your rocket can handle a 3G motor, but you want to use a 5G case and two spacers, make darn sure you have room for a 5G case in your booster!
My understanding is it is not absolutely necessary for the motor case to fit within the MMT length, it can extend past. You need to have enough airframe left to pack you recovery system (chute and protection). If you don't, then you need the shorter casing.
 
My understanding is it is not absolutely necessary for the motor case to fit within the MMT length, it can extend past. You need to have enough airframe left to pack you recovery system (chute and protection). If you don't, then you need the shorter casing.

Recovery gear....or nose cone shoulder
 
My understanding is it is not absolutely necessary for the motor case to fit within the MMT length, it can extend past. You need to have enough airframe left to pack you recovery system (chute and protection). If you don't, then you need the shorter casing.
That's what I meant ... room within the booster to fit the motor casing. I am simply trying to prevent people from thinking that if they buy the minimum amount of casings to fly every reload, it doesn't magically make their rocket capable of fitting all those casings.
 
... But it should be noted that sometimes you need a shorter case to fit the motor into the available MMT length..

Even more important, if the casing fits you still need to consider the weight of the spacer and longer casing. For 54mm each spacer adds over 4 ounces of weight, near or behind the CG. Your rocket may be stable with a 2 or 3 grain motor, but may not be with a 2 or 3 grain motor in a longer casing with spacer.
 
Even more important, if the casing fits you still need to consider the weight of the spacer and longer casing. For 54mm each spacer adds over 4 ounces of weight, near or behind the CG. Your rocket may be stable with a 2 or 3 grain motor, but may not be with a 2 or 3 grain motor in a longer casing with spacer.
That's why I am building all of my HPR nose cones with a dual bulkhead and forged eye bolt to add weight for bigger motors. Planning ahead provides flexibility down the road. Then again, you could always just build another (bigger) rocket...
 
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