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Hello, today I am wondering how most of you go about measuring your ejection charges for dual deployment. The Aerotech reload kits come with a small vile that holds the black powder (I’ll attach a photo) that has little lines indicating the grams in 1/10th increments. Is this a close enough way to calculate the grams or is it recommended that I buy a precision scale for this to get it more accurate?
 
Tenth of a gram accuracy by volume, the Aerotech dispenser, is fine for most smaller L1 rockets. Once you get into bigger rockets you may want more than 1.5 grams of black powder or a more accurate scale for other uses.
 
I have a hand full of the graduated viles, and use a small piece of folded paper to measure out from my 1lb black powder container.

I have not verified with a scale if the marks are accurate but I have done ground testing for my MC SDX3 and know how much BP it takes. I was surprised in my 4" airframe it's only 1.3 grams to push out a 70" main with 2 nylon shear pins and a laundry shelf.

BP is nice that the pressure is linear, a little more BP gives a little more pressure.

I think as long has you have sufficient ground testing and a reliable way of getting the same amount of BP to burn you should be good, graduated viles, scale, etc.

~John
 
My method...Lee Powder Measures/Dippers, what I like about them is that the sizes pretty much correspond to the weight. Dip it in, level the scoop, scale to verify (I no longer usually bother with the scale as the .3cc seems to =.3grams)images.jpeg
 
My method...Lee Powder Measures/Dippers, what I like about them is that the sizes pretty much correspond to the weight. Dip it in, level the scoop, scale to verify (I no longer usually bother with the scale as the .3cc seems to =.3grams)View attachment 376618
And it's fun trying to figure out which two or three spoons you need to use to add up to the exact charge you want. ;)
 
1cc=1g within 5%, even closer with 4FG. Plenty accurate for ejection charges. BTW, the Aerotech vials their BP comes in holds 2cc. For larger charges, anything calibrated in milliliters (cc) works.
 
On a related note, I store my BP in a small aluminum spice tin--it seals nicely and fits in my range box. I normally use a metal measuring spoon to measure/scoop out BP. My thinking is that I'm grounded to both the tin and the spoon before the lid comes off the tin, so there's no chance of static charge buildup. I've seen plastic hold static charge, so that seemed like more of a potential issue. Any strong feeling one way or the other here?
 
On a related note, I store my BP in a small aluminum spice tin--it seals nicely and fits in my range box. I normally use a metal measuring spoon to measure/scoop out BP. My thinking is that I'm grounded to both the tin and the spoon before the lid comes off the tin, so there's no chance of static charge buildup. I've seen plastic hold static charge, so that seemed like more of a potential issue. Any strong feeling one way or the other here?
Typically metal items for working with BP are made of brass, and the containers BP is contained in is designed to fail a certain way ( the old metal cans failed at the seam to prevent fragmenting, not sure about the newer plastic canisters). I cant see a spice tin as an issue as the lid would blow off in the off chance something happened, as for the metal spoon as long as the two metals are non-sparking it shouldn't be much of an issue.
 
On a related note, I store my BP in a small aluminum spice tin--it seals nicely and fits in my range box. I normally use a metal measuring spoon to measure/scoop out BP. My thinking is that I'm grounded to both the tin and the spoon before the lid comes off the tin, so there's no chance of static charge buildup. I've seen plastic hold static charge, so that seemed like more of a potential issue. Any strong feeling one way or the other here?

https://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/sparks/sparks.html
 


Your mileage may vary. It can be set off but you have to go through a lot of trouble to accomplish it.

Kurt
 
Weigh on inexpensive gram scale (Ebay) and load in centrifuge containers at home. Transfer from centrifuge containers to rocket at launch site.
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Whatever you use, ground test and then use it consistently.
This right here. All the above Ideas a great and which ever way you choose is fine. Just keep it consistent between ground testing and flying.
I just use and reuse the AT vials as measuring devices. I have used it from 0.3 up to 6.0 grams using but the higher amount just require filling it up multiple times.
 
I have the Lee powder measure kit and a couple of scales.

Powder scoops are the only one that makes it to launches. I just keep two scoops with me, I believe they are 0.5g and, 1.7g ish. The little one is used to top off small motors in a large rocket. The large one is used to dump charges.
 
Advantages of the powder scoops: nearly indestructible, no battery, not wind sensitive, easily packed.

Advantages of the scale: useful for weighing other things, higher precision


Tony
 
I ordered a set of the Lee powder scoops. Looks like the easiest way to get consistent measurements at home. I have a cheap scale, but I find despite what it says it does a poor (variable) job of weighing small masses. It provides consistent results to two decimal places above 5g, but under 1g is too variable for me. Good scales are more expensive, and care how they are stored...ymmv of course. It will take me forever to go through the lb cans of FFFg and FFFFg I have, so consistent across scoops is all I need. I will calibrate/verify the scoops to mass using an analytical balances I have access to, and just write my own experimentally determined calibration values in the scoop box. I know the scoop kit comes with a conversion card, but this will take my technique and specific cans into account.
 
Because of the issues associated with what was then called "bulk powder", black powder is always measured volumetrically. In a perversion of logic, the common volumetric measures are marked in units of weight - grains. So whether measuring cannon powder, or pistol powder 30 grains of cannon powder and 30 grains of pistol powder will neither weigh 30 grains, and the resulting ballistic when burned behind any projectile in a barrel will vary hugely. Since any moron can make BP, it is always up to the moron to tune their load to a specific projectile and barrel to obtain a safe and accurate burn. Once the moron settles on a volumetric load of powder behind a projectile, said moron can quickly fill a volumetric scoop with an accurate load for a second chance at shooting the deer quickly bouncing off into the distance.

Thus the lesson for rocketeers - just get a volumetric amount of whatever powder you use that can quickly assure you propel your av-bay projectile out of the body tube barrel each and every time. If you have selected an amount where accuracy is critical lest the projectile fails to leave the barrel post-haste, or conversely wrecks the barrel, you have selected the wrong amount.

Centrifuge tubes are marked in grams, which is again a perversion of logic since generally liquids are measured in said tubes, and the fact of centrifuging might imply different items in the liquid have different densities. You would think they would be marked in cc's.
 
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