???? Wasn't that YEARS ago??
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Why can't all the regulatory entities "get along"?
I just got a big box from Wildman plastered with 1.4 Explosive stickers. We have a new guy at my mail drop location, I had to explain to him what it was, and that basically AP motors burn a lot like road flares, and that they are really not an explosive. It would be nice if DOT and BATF were aligned, but I can live with the 1.4 sticker instead of a flammable solid sticker... either way we're gonna pay hazmat.
Afraid not, been living here all my life and a TRA member since 1999.Hi! Welcome to the US of A! You must be new here...
The reason for my post, like cerving said, having to explain to mail carriers, police or fire marshals, etc,
"It's not really explosives, it's really a burning solid propellant" I am sure they all believe that after seeing a label that says explosives."
I find 1.4 Explosive stickers kinda cool, and very durable.
I saved a bunch, and re-applied them to the boiler tank (almost fully covered by now), as well as to my kids doors ;-)
Quick explanation: "Did you ever fly those little model rockets as a kid? So did I. I've grown up, and the models and motors are just bigger now. And even more fun!"Why does it matter what the mail carrier thinks?
It can work as a conversation starter, if you want one. I once had fun chat with my neighbor when he saw a couple of 1.4 boxes stacked near my garage. He bought rockets for his girls afterwards!
If there was an upside to this pursuit, like voiding the HazMat shipping fee, I could see the point.
Otherwise, it's one sticker (Explosive) vs. the other (Flammable). HazMat surcharge either way.
I find 1.4 Explosive stickers kinda cool, and very durable.
I saved a bunch, and re-applied them to the boiler tank (almost fully covered by now), as well as to my kids doors ;-)
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Maybe I will put a 1.4 decal on a rocket ...
Quick explanation: "Did you ever fly those little model rockets as a kid? So did I. I've grown up, and the models and motors are just bigger now. And even more fun!"
Technically, the airframe is transporting the motor, so game on!
Also realize the two agencies are looking at the material in a different manner.
BATF is concerned with the ability to weaponize something. (and yes, storage of it)
DOT is concerned with a materials behavior in an accident during shipment
So Federal judges rules AP is not an explosive.
Will dealers ever be able to ship motors in a box that says "Flammable Solid"?
It really is too bad that DOT requires these stickers. I have had more than one delivery guy or gal give me a funny look.
Afraid not, been living here all my life and a TRA member since 1999.
My point is there is an existing classification to transport as "Flammable Solid", why would they still be labeled as "Explosives"
Why can't all the regulatory entities "get along"?
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