Warning!

Has anyone seen this before:
This warning applies to all Estes manufactured model rocket engines

WARNING

This product can expose you to chemicals including crystalline silica, which is known to the State of California to cause cancer, and birth defects or other reproductive harm.
For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov.

Almost everything causes cancer in California. That is one reason I will not move there.

There is also a warning about wood. Like dshmel, I will never visit California let alone live there!

Prop 65 has rendered warnings useless because almost everything has a warning in California.

dshmel said:

Prop 65 has rendered warnings useless because almost everything has a warning in California.

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The jetways at John Wayne Airport have Prop 65 warnings about the air outside...sometimes it's just embarrassing being a Californian.

It would probably be easier to list the things in California that DONT cause cancer... wait, never mind. I can’t think of any.

Nearly every business in the state has the sign posted someplace on the premises.

Darn, California ruins everything. We can't even catch cancer in peace.

they should put the warning on the water in California, especially in the cities......

They should put the warning in maternity wards. Being born is known to the State of California to cause cancer.

jqavins said:

They should put the warning in maternity wards. Being born is known to the State of California to cause cancer.

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It would seem that in California, there is no fate worse than life.

Jim

Steven said:

Has anyone seen this before:

WARNING

This product can expose you to chemicals including crystalline silica, ...

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Crystalline silica. Isn't that just basically... sand?

Found on a Rat Poison Label

Warning: has been found to cause cancer in laboratory mice

Worsaer said:

It would probably be easier to list the things in California that DONT cause cancer... wait, never mind. I can’t think of any.

Nearly every business in the state has the sign posted someplace on the premises.

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I think this thread is giving me cancer.

I was in charge of adding Prop 65 messages to the parts shipping lists for my day job, in IT at a large industrial machinery company. We were notified about this in February, and we had until August 31st to get it done, including analyzing every part we sell for a substance on the list (which was Thank God done by the manufacturer). Working with the manufacturer and our primary software vendor, it was a big headache... to comply with the law, we had to put a customized message depending on the offending substance on virtually every line item. When we rolled it out, our warehouse employees screamed bloody murder... it tripled the size of the shipping lists. But we got it done... the lawyers warned us that if we didn't have this by the deadline we'd have to shut down. No pressure there...

cerving said:

I was in charge of adding Prop 65 messages to the parts shipping lists for my day job, in IT at a large industrial machinery company. We were notified about this in February, and we had until August 31st to get it done, including analyzing every part we sell for a substance on the list (which was Thank God done by the manufacturer). Working with the manufacturer and our primary software vendor, it was a big headache... to comply with the law, we had to put a customized message depending on the offending substance on virtually every line item. When we rolled it out, our warehouse employees screamed bloody murder... it tripled the size of the shipping lists. But we got it done... the lawyers warned us that if we didn't have this by the deadline we'd have to shut down. No pressure there...

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Your friendly state government ... taking the "free" out of free enterprise.

When the dystopia that is California sinks below the water line, we should post signs warning visitors about the cancer inducing nature of the area.

Warning: seawater is known in California to cause dehydration and drowning.

I thought OSHA was a pain in the butt, but California...it is time to give them Dr. Roger's Rectum Rocket! Hmm, what do you think? Maybe a G or an H and a long burner, too?

tightwad said:

I thought OSHA was a pain in the butt, but California...it is time to give them Dr. Roger's Rectum Rocket! Hmm, what do you think? Maybe a G or an H and a long burner, too?

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A whole new meaning for the term "moon burner."

Peartree said:

Crystalline silica. Isn't that just basically... sand?

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I think it’s airborne particles of respirable size.

Mike Helm said:

The jetways at John Wayne Airport have Prop 65 warnings about the air outside...sometimes it's just embarrassing being a Californian.

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Is that true? I’ll have to look for that next time I fly into John Wayne. It seems ridiculous, but I actually would not be surprised if the air in Orange County is cancerous. It looks cancerous.

One thing I do like about flying out of Orange County is the noise-abatement take off. It’s like a rocket launch. Or at least it’s the most like one on a commercial flight. They do a brake stand on the tarmac and rev up the engines, then let ‘er rip! They do a steeper than usual powered climb, and then throttle way back and sort of “coast to apogee”. They glide quietly over Orange County, and once they clear the rich people and get out over the ocean they power back up and get on with the flight. It’s kind of fun.

I know it’s amusing to make fun of California, and some of the Prop 65 warning labels seem pretty over the top. But is airborne crystalline silica actually legitimately a cause for cancer if you breathe it? Is wood dust a cause of cancer if you inhale it? If those are legitimate risks, then it seems like a warning label is appropriate, because I think most people would assume they aren’t risks. Maybe the State is making too much of a risk that is insignificant, or maybe we’ve all been assuming these risks are insignificant when they are actually serious enough to warrant a warning.

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I know it’s amusing to make fun of California, and some of the Prop 65 warning labels seem pretty over the top. But is airborne crystalline silica actually legitimately a cause for cancer if you breathe it? Is wood dust a cause of cancer if you inhale it? If those are legitimate risks, then it seems like a warning label is appropriate, because I think most people would assume they aren’t risks. Maybe the State is making too much of a risk that is insignificant, or maybe we’ve all been assuming these risks are insignificant when they are actually serious enough to warrant a warning.

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I don't know, and this is just an opinion, but sometimes I think the tests are inconclusive, and there are unknown genetic factors, etc.

For instance, we know that cholesterol clogs arteries. But my grandmother ate fatty, greasy foods her whole life and lived to be 96.

Some people (like George Burns) smoke and live to be 100.

I remember when they came out and said that saccharine causes cancer. And everyone started taking saccharine out of their products. Turns out that the amount of saccharine they had to feed a mouse before seeing any signs of cancer was an untenable amount for a human being.

And so on. i have a dear friend who is battling stage 4 renal carcinoma. He has a wife and six kids. They all live in the same house, eat the same meals, go on the same vacations, attend the same church, etc. But he is dying of cancer and they don't have any.

Taking into account how many people die from cancer in the US every year this news really doesn't surprise me.

I know first-hand that some companies are just putting Prop 65 labels on everything that leaves their dock in order to avoid any potential legal action.
I feel like an idiot because before I was aware of the Prop 65 mental illness I went to purchase a garden hose. I saw the cancer warning and thought "damn, these hoses will give you cancer now"...I looked all over for a hose that wouldn't give me cancer. That was when my wife explained Prop 65 to me. She told me that many of her out of state customers started refusing their products because they didn't want to get cancer.

It's like the old adage ... the only way to avoid dying is by not living.

I seem to recall seeing the results of a study wherein various coins etc. were affixed in close proximity to skin, the result was the skin developing cancer. I haven't seen any warnings on money...but 'they' seem to be going out of their way to prevent us from getting cancer from money by separating us from our money.
Rex

The problem is when everything has a warning, nothing has a warning. That leads to folks ignoring (for lack of a better term) 'real' warnings and getting hurt.

Bob Austin said:

The problem is when everything has a warning, nothing has a warning. That leads to folks ignoring (for lack of a better term) 'real' warnings and getting hurt.

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That's definitely true, and it is part of the reason I asked my question. If there's a significant risk of something, then a warning is warranted, but if not, it can lead to people just tuning out warnings in general. So is sawdust a significant risk? If so, is it a risk to a hobbyist, or is it more of a risk to someone who has a job that makes sawdust all day long? My gut says adding a warning label to an Estes kit warning about sawdust may be overkill.

Sometimes its hard to assess the importance of a warning. I remember hearing about some kind of risk factor that increases your chance colon cancer by 20%, which seems like a lot. But then the risk of colon cancer was something like only 5%, so this meant your risk went from 5% to 6%, which doesn't really seem like much. But then 50,000 people die a year of colon cancer, so this might mean another 10,000 people dying per year, which absolutely DOES seem like a lo! Sometimes you might look at a warning and think it sounds ridiculous because the risk to you personally might not actually be all that high, but in aggregate, the warning might save a lot of lives, and you can see why it makes sense from a public policy point of view.

And yet... things like "vaping" are accepted and done by the masses... then they come out months later and say it's bad for your health.

Was anybody surprised by that?

Logic and Proportion... have fallen sloppy dead.