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Mike Howie

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Please help. Like many I'm trying to build a Saturn V for the anniversery. But when sanding the conformation of the fairings to the body tube, the vac formed part tore. Does anyone know of a way to make new fairings? Or have spare fairings?
 
I had to replace the tower on my Estes one. Called them up to ship one out and I got the tower and capsule kit for FREE! Never forgot that! I was more than happy to pay for it just as long as I could fix the damn thing. Good on Estes!
 
I had to replace the tower on my Estes one. Called them up to ship one out and I got the tower and capsule kit for FREE! Never forgot that! I was more than happy to pay for it just as long as I could fix the damn thing. Good on Estes!
Estes is really good about replacing parts like that for free. They sent me the whole vacuform set for my Sat V because I screwed mine up. In all honesty, the engine bells are the only decent plastic parts in the whole kit. I used one of the fin/faring assemblies to fabricate my own molds for the Alumilite resin castings I did. These turned out pretty good but it's a costly approach unless you plan to make other sets to sell.
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I do have a set of the moldin olies fairings. The problem with them is their weight. I've my Saturn stock. Single 24/40 mm mount. I don't know how much added weight is need to off set the resin fairings. Or if a D will even lift it afterwards.
A "D" motor will give you about a 75" flight with stock parts. With the replacements and whatever added nose weight you have to use, you'll be lucky it makes it off the pad.
 
A "D" motor will give you about a 75" flight with stock parts. With the replacements and whatever added nose weight you have to use, you'll be lucky it makes it off the pad.
As I feared. Guess I'll wait for the new Saturn and hope I can use the new "plastic parts". If I can get some from Estes when it comes out.
 
As I feared. Guess I'll wait for the new Saturn and hope I can use the new "plastic parts". If I can get some from Estes when it comes out.
All hope is not lost here Mike. You aren't limited to just a D motor. You may know the motor mount wasn't meant for composite motors, but you can still use them. They will overheat and eventually char the tube, but there is a remedy that will give you some mileage. I've been using composites in standard tubes for years but there is something you can do to assist in keeping them functional. If you give the motor tube a good coating with thin CA on the inside, it'll strengthen the tube almost rock hard. Depending on how far along with the construction, the outside of the tube and any other nearby tubes can be treated as well. And also, if you haven't mounted it yet, you can swap out the thin tube for one meant for composites. There would be some fitting issues that can be dealt with to the CR's.
 
The description for the upcoming #1969 Saturn V lists the recommended engines as the E12-4 and E30-4. No mention of the D motor any more. There are 24mm foil lined motor tubes available, I think erockets and/or BMS might still have them. Good insurance when using composites.
 
I have used composite motors in my 30 year old Saturn V for years and enjoyed the performance. E15s and E20s
 
Oh happy day. Contacted Sandra at Estes, they had the part. Since I messed the part up, I had to purchase them, but that is only right. So all is good. I hope I don't mess them up again, they're very thin.

Just as a side note, her email said the new Saturn is due out Dec 7th. From Estes. Stores will be later.
 
+1 on the Moldin Oldies. There's also a Shapeways part that might work https://www.shapeways.com/product/3...orrect-scale?optionId=60006446&li=marketplace but it's extremely pricey.

The upcoming reissue of the Estes kit will hopefully replace the vac-formed fairings. I spent hours trying to shape them without great results.

The upcoming release will replace the fairings, but with new vac-formed fairings. John Boren said "maybe the 60th anniversary release will have injection molding."
 
The description for the upcoming #1969 Saturn V lists the recommended engines as the E12-4 and E30-4. No mention of the D motor any more. There are 24mm foil lined motor tubes available, I think erockets and/or BMS might still have them. Good insurance when using composites.

D flights with the Saturn V have always been white-knucklers -- ejection 20-30 feet off the ground.

And the more recent BP E motors didn't have the thrust spike to be stable coming off the launch rod.

The newer Es should have enough kick to fly safely.
 
I built my first K-36 as soon as it was released. I had many good flights on it, including on opening days of the Great Mississippi Valley Fair. It even collected Iowa Gov. Robert Ray's signature when we met him in the Teen Tent, and we pushed for the adoption of NFPA codes. I always thought it flew best on 3 C6-3 motors, although it flew well enough on D13 and D12 motors. At some point it was in need of its second repainting and I decided to retire and replace it. My building skills had also improved considerably. It seemed disrespectful to throw out a flyable Saturn V, yet it was not good enough to keep as a display model or even to pass off to some young kid. It should die in battle as it were. It flew and recovered nicely with a D12-5. It took a D12-7 to produce the intended result, end even then the chutes deployed nicely at apogee, after the first bounce.

My second K-36 was built much nicer. The seams were filled and the scale balsa fins were finished with a hard epoxy surface. I modified it to fly with 4 additional B3 mini motors firing through the plastic F1 nozzles in scale location. The central motor was a D12, but the central motor mount was still removable, so I could have build an adapter for 29mm motors. I added nose weight to maintain the stock CG, compensating for the added weight in the aft end. It flew great on the five motors, and I never had a misfire. The K36 was a bit large for my taste; it would not fit in a box for transport with other rockets. On one trip I had the rocket carefully nestled between the back seat of a hatchback and massively heavy toll box. It was crushed in a minor car accident. In the intervening decades, I've made due with a Centuri Saturn 1B and it has flown well with C5-3, D12, and E20 motors.

Now I'm contemplating building my third Saturn V. I have a vintage Centuri, and two Estes 2157 kits. I'll probably buy a new 1969 as well. I know that I want to stick with the 5 motor cluster, even though I I have to fly it with with 4 A motors, A3 or A10s ( or vintage uncertified B motors), and true scale size fins, like the K36. Not that I trust catalog weights, but each new Saturn V kits seems to be getting heavier. A D12 and 4 A10s would likely suffice, but I have not run any sims yet. I should build a 2157, but I could be convinced to build a new 1969 instead.

Alan
 

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