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Usually the buyer. But I’ve heard of occasional issues with multiple states claiming jurisdiction.

Sales tax often varies by county (or smaller), too. It’s one of the reasons I gave up on shipping, as any state direct wine shipment permit always requires registration for sales tax, too
 
I don't have a link handy but from prior reading, it is taxed based on shipping destination.

eBay is an interesting case because it is a platform used by non-commercial sellers and by businesses. Businesses will be expected to collect tax and file it, regular individuals like me not so much if we are selling used knickknacks.
 
If they decide to tax both sides, it could real expensive real fast.
 
Please note: I'm not trying to be political, I'm just trying to give you an idea of how I see this as a very, very small internet sales business owner.

My understanding is it will depend on the state the person buying the product is in. I'm honestly worried how this is going to play out as there are 45 sales tax states, and if they don't put a minimum sales threshold on it (like the 100,000 per year sales in that state, as the underlying lawsuit was about) then a lot of small businesses are in paperwork trouble.

It can be even more complicated than just 45 states with different tax rates. In many (all?) states there multiple taxing districts, that may need to be broken out line-item style for sales in that state. There are approximately 9600 different local jurisdictions nationwide. In Texas, internet sales tax is determined by the location of the seller (for sales within Texas), so I collect (and pass on to the state quarterly) sales tax based on Garland, TX. That helps for sales within Texas as I don't have to look up each district. My other business (race timing) is considered an "on-site amusement provider" according to the state, so I have to charge sales tax based on the location the event occurs in (mercifully most that hire me are sales tax exempt charities).

You can see how this could all get really out of hand for a small (micro) business. The best I can hope for is a national standard, but I'm not holding my breath. I can tell you, I'm not doing 45 sales tax forms every quarter (yes, you have to file the form even if the tax due is $0) because I don't have that kind of time. If it comes to that I'm folding, and QUICK!

All that said, the way we buy things is changing, and sales tax is a very important part of how our society funds our common projects. Therefore, I see why states want to (and particularly in the case of low population density states NEED to collect this revenue), but I'm desperately hoping a rational approach to this can be taken. Heck, the Supreme Court Decision Majority was an interesting mix of ideologies (below), so maybe there is hope.

Majority:
Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Samuel A. Alito Jr. and Neil M. Gorsuch

Dissent:
Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.; Justices Stephen G. Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan
 
It is best to avoid politics and just discuss the facts.

Sales taxes are a means to raise revenue but they are counter productive to business because they punish spending and reduce in theory. Most sales taxes occur at the state and local level and they damage sales most at the local level, currently.

Business taxes inhibit hiring so in the long run they hurt income taxes. Income taxes are probably the way to go but we are often double and triple taxed.

This is will probably drive people to small auction purchases that may be impossible track for tax purposes.
 
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Nonpolitical attitude confirmed.

This is one of those things that SHOULD be a trivial issue. A simple centealized (and free) software tool maintained as a sales tax rate lookup table based on zip code that uses an API so that vendors/platforms could always look up the right tax rate should be a no brainier.

It should be maintained by US Fed Govt and states would be responsible for inputting correct tax rate data. Easy peasy.

But as easy as it would be, I doubt it would happen. Perhaps there could be a crowdsourced OpenTax solution to do the same task. More likely to succeed...
 
@Marc_G There are wine shipping compliance services that do just what you suggest, plus check for permits and dry zones. All are private paid services.

I applaud the appeal to stick to facts - but I see a lot of opinion mixed in.
 
It is best to avoid politics and just discuss the facts.

Sales taxes are a means to raise revenue but they are counter productive to business because they punish spending and reduce in theory. Most sales taxes occur at the state and local level and they damage sales most at the local level, currently.

Business taxes inhibit hiring so in the long run they hurt income taxes. Income taxes are probably the way to go but we are often double and triple taxed.

This is will probably drive people to small auction purchases that may be impossible track for tax purposes.

My point was more, the money has to come from somewhere, and this is one of the ways that 45 states have chosen to do it, so within that context it is important. Not the relative underlying economic rational behind the different methods...that is a much bigger ship to turn...somewhere else.
 
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I don't think it is opinion. It is simple economics. If you take money away, they have less.

Taxes hurt the economy and hiring in general. I am not ant-taxes. I just believe in having my money taxed once and in a smart and fair manner.

I personally think everyone should pay taxes so they have a vested interest in GOV.
 
My point was more, the money has to come from somewhere, and this is one of the ways that 45 states have chosen to do it, so within that context it is important. Not the relative underlying economic rational behind the different methods...that is a much bigger ship to turn...somewhere else.

Great point. I just hope they spend it well.
 
I don't think it is opinion. It is simple economics. If you take money away, they have less.

Taxes hurt the economy and hiring in general. I am not ant-taxes. I just believe in having my money taxed once and in a smart and fair manner.

I personally think everyone should pay taxes so they have a vested interest in GOV.

I’d like to note that sales tax is a tax on consumers, not businesses. It’s the cost of -compliance- that’s the burden on businesses. The small amount states (at least WI) pay you to collect it doesn’t cover the cost once the number of jurisdictions goes up.
 
I've managed software that calculated the various sales taxes needed within the US. It sucked. It sucked BAD. Like REALLY BAD. There are 10s of thousands of different tax combinations that are possible and updates come out weekly. I would not wish this on my worst enemy. The software isn't cheap either. I wish all you small business owners good luck because you're gonna need it.
 
Never owned a business, but don't most websites/etc. use payment processing services these days, to handle things like credit cards or things like PayPal? I'd sure hope that they could take care of at least calculating the appropriate taxes based on the ZIP code being shipped to (similar to calculating the shipping charges), seems like it'd be really nice if they withheld that amount and handled the actual tax payment (since they'd be aggregating all of these various transactions for all of their users, and maybe get some benefit from scale there), but I guess I could see why they wouldn't want to be responsible for that (and how that would be affected by returns, etc).

Seems like most of the places I order from already withhold my local sales tax, perhaps because they have a presence in the state or they saw this coming, so it doesn't look like it'll affect me much.
 
Probably true and I probably will not break the 100000 thresh hold as long as that remains true.
 
I can't speak for any other state, but in Maryland you were always required to pay a "use" tax on anything you purchase without paying sales tax. No kidding. so if you buy something online for $10.00 from another state, you are supposed to pay a Maryland use tax of $0.60. So, even if you weren't charged tax by the seller, you were technically breaking the law if you didn't pay the tax. Now, since there was absolutely no way to enforce this, I don't know anyone who ever did it, or got busted for not doing it.
 
South Dakota requires sales of $100,000 a year in state or 200 sales a year to the state before an out of state retailer is required to collect sales taxes. In our almost ten years of business, I'm sure we've shipped no more than 10 orders totally a few hundred dollars (if that) to South Dakota. So, if other states were to follow South Dakota's lead, I doubt it would have much effect on the really small retailers like us.

But, I suspect that SD target only larger retailers because that's where the money is, they would have a chance to collect, and it's a large enough sum that retailers wouldn't just stop shipping to South Dakota.

If another state now passes a law requiring all out-of-state retailers to collect sales tax for them (regardless of how small), we, like most small businesses, would just ignore it. There would be no way for them to enforce the law and it wouldn't be worth the state's effort to try to collect (since there wouldn't be much money involved).

I really don't expect this to have much of an effect on small retailers like us. In the short term, it might benefit us if states adopt laws like South Dakotas which only affect larger retailers.

But, in the long run, I assume states are going to want us to collect sales tax on all mail order sales. To do that, they are going to have to make it so that their laws are enforceable and don't put so much of a burden on business that they just stop dealing with customers in the state.

What I expect will happen is that the sates will join together and require that businesses in their states collect taxes for other states. That would make the laws enforceable. But, that's going to run into obvious constitutional issues unless Congress gets involved. I expect Congress to act, however, because having things defined at a national level will benefit the states (because they will receive the taxes) and businesses (because it will make things more uniform). Sales tax rates vary by state and often within states. And rates can vary based on the types of products. Congress could define rates that are uniform across states or create a common system retailers can use to calculate the tax on a shipment. I actually expect that payment processors like PayPal would compute the tax and add it.

So. in conclusion, I don't see this having any major effect on small businesses like us.

Never owned a business, but don't most websites/etc. use payment processing services these days, to handle things like credit cards or things like PayPal? I'd sure hope that they could take care of at least calculating the appropriate taxes based on the ZIP code being shipped to (similar to calculating the shipping charges), seems like it'd be really nice if they withheld that amount and handled the actual tax payment (since they'd be aggregating all of these various transactions for all of their users, and maybe get some benefit from scale there), but I guess I could see why they wouldn't want to be responsible for that (and how that would be affected by returns, etc).

That's what I expect will happen. Payment processors, such as PayPal, will compute the sales tax and add it to the customer's bill. The processor will actually collect and remit the taxes. Most states already allow retailers to keep a small percentage of taxes collected to cover the cost of collecting and remitting them. They could do the same for the payment processors and the system would be transparent to most retailers.
 
I too hope this works out in a manner that shows a teaspoon of common sense.
 
I'll be honest, I looked at google maps to figure out where this strangely named town was located in WI.

Up north, near Natrium. There’s a salt mine between the two towns.

Cl(VII), being uncharged, is more properly ‘Chlorine’ - but I think ‘Chloride’ sounds more masculine.
 
There are some new laws coming into being in Australia on July 1st. Previously, any package received from OS that was under $1000AUD in value was just let through, and no duty or taxes charged. That means that the government missed out on their 10% GST.

The new law applies GST to items from OS that are under the $1k limit. The interesting thing is I think that they have pushed the collection of that to the overseas seller somehow, or at least the reporting of it to the government. I recently received an email from Digikey asking for the Australian Business Number associated with my employer. If I failed to provide that I think they were going to charge me the extra.

So I buy something from china for $1.98 and they want to collect their 19.8 cents of GST. That has to make economic sense somewhere, but not to me. It would cost more than that to make the transaction.
 
Not a fan of taxes, but it did seem to me an unfair disadvantage for brick and mortar local stores to be forced to charge sales tax and internet vendors not have to pay it. I would prefer federal government to stay out of it, although interstate commerce clause of constitution would justify federal involvement. Seems like states would be better off creating a Co-op that could efficiently implement the tax. States pay the cost of the system of implementation (software, whatever— puts the onus on the states to create a.m. efficient system), buyers pay the same tax amount as they would for local purchase. “Cost” to internet vendors is simple, they are competing on a level playing field with local shops, total price for both includes tax.

If done well could be a win for states, the system may allow direct deposit of money into state coffers, saving them paperwork cost of dealing individually with all the vendors, and they don’t wait until end of year or quarter for the money. I think this is why the federal government subsidizes federal tax software programs, heck of a lot cheaper to do it electronically than by paper

Of course, I also believe in the tooth fairy.......
 
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