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andrewlathrop87 said:

I have child and at any point he may ask that, but I will not tell him the real answer. I believe you should be married when you have children. By the time your married you should know where babies come from and how they are made. By the time a person becomes in high school they should all ready know. But they should not exercise there gifts until they are married. There is no reason to tell that type of information to anyone younger then 16. They will learn it when they are ready. I hope I answered your question.

What genie are you referring to?

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I hope you don't think that withholding information on sex will actually keep your child from having sex. They'll just go to the oh-so-reliable sources of internet porn and their friends. But that's OT except that kids and research/sugar motors are in exactly the same situation. You can try to limit information, but it won't help. You'll just get more kids doing things unsafely and potentially having life-altering accidents.

andrewlathrop87 said:

I guess all you guys are missing the point. The original reason for my original post was genuine. In this day and age respect for your fellow adults, respect your elders has disappeared. Kids these days think they are right all the time. They dont know when to stop. Technically, there should be no age limit on this forum but because the way society is and how kids are these days that is why I think there should be a minimum age. Young people get on here and they dont respect anyone and their ideas. yes, when one person messes up it messes up everyone.

I think kids and rockets is great. But kids get on here and cause mischief. Thats why I recommend parental guidance for the kids that are on here under a certain age.

I am a school teacher and I see it all the time. Kids these days are so entitled. They think they have earned everything without any work being done. I believe it all starts at home. Parents dont want to be parents anymore. They just have kids to have kids. Its all about RESPECT. It then spreads to every situation. This happens in all walks of life.

When I teach kids I teach discipline. Children should not speak unless spoken to or called upon. Any adult or stranger should get the same respect from children. Because society has gotten easy on rules and discipline our core and moral values have begun to erode.

There you go, I am done.

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I mentor kids in rocketry in high school and I see little or none of the behavior you describe in the students interested in rocketry. I see students who genuinely want to learn and genuinely respect the expertise of the old farts like me. I also don't talk down to them and start with the basic expectation that they will learn and fly safely. Sure, we see some people who don't want to accept the expertise of the oldsters here, but they usually go away pretty quickly. I don't see mischief (what destructive things could they do to the site anyway?) The kids who stay are respectful and contribute. For example, Blackbrandt was just asking about colleges. I had assumed he was 25-30 because he acted like it.

Kids are what their parents and other adults in their lives have encouraged them to be. The participation trophies everyone goes on about aren't for the kids. The kids know who's good and who isn't. Those trophies are for the parents.

Is it really so wrong to encourage kids who want to learn about rocketry to do it safely and respectfully? The only hitch is you have to lead by example. Respect goes both ways. I've seen those same rocketry kids tear a teacher to bits because the teacher didn't respect the students and their knowledge. If you can't admit you're wrong, expect kids to point it out every single time. And if an elder expects respect without giving it, he is going to be sorely disappointed.

Kids shouldn't speak unless spoken to? So if a kid sees an unsafe situation developing at a launch, they should keep their mouths shut? They shouldn't point out a rocket coming in ballistic because they haven't been spoken to? You can have rules for your classroom/gym, but I respectfully submit that while you may get obedience, you won't get respect.

CoyoteNumber2 said:

I think the forum should be restricted to only people who know how to use the multi-quote function.

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tomsteve said:

And acceptance is the answer to all my problems today.
When I am disturbed,
It is because I find some person, place, thing, situation --
Some fact of my life -- unacceptable to me,
And I can find no serenity until I accept
That person, place, thing, or situation
As being exactly the way it is supposed to be at this moment.
Nothing, absolutely nothing happens in God's world by mistake.
Unless I accept life completely on life's terms,
I cannot be happy.
I need to concentrate not so much
On what needs to be changed in the world
As on what needs to be changed in me and in my attitudes.



i suggest ya go to the nearest pediatric cancer treatment center and talk to the parents of the children there fighting for their lives about this issue.

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There is a solution.

boatgeek said:

For example, Blackbrandt was just asking about colleges. I had assumed he was 25-30 because he acted like it.

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Thank you for the biggest smile I've had all day. And btw, I just turned 18.

I'm in the mood for a good movie.

[video=youtube;vtNdYsoool8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtNdYsoool8&t=2s[/video]

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tomsteve said:

And acceptance is the answer to all my problems today.
When I am disturbed,
It is because I find some person, place, thing, situation --
Some fact of my life -- unacceptable to me,
And I can find no serenity until I accept
That person, place, thing, or situation
As being exactly the way it is supposed to be at this moment.
Nothing, absolutely nothing happens in God's world by mistake.
Unless I accept life completely on life's terms,
I cannot be happy.
I need to concentrate not so much
On what needs to be changed in the world
As on what needs to be changed in me and in my attitudes.



i suggest ya go to the nearest pediatric cancer treatment center and talk to the parents of the children there fighting for their lives about this issue.

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Thank you very much for this..
I hope you don't mind, it's going up on my wall...

Thank you...

Teddy

In case you don't know about it yet, the reason this thread was started was that AndrewLathrop87 had posted a comment in his thread (https://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?137335-Nuclear-power-(matter-antimatter)) about how he didn't believe in global warming. This escalated, and I'll admit that I was in large part responsible (feeding the trolls), until PearTree put a stop to it. Later that day, I would assume that Mr. Lathrop was upset problably by the fact that I was under 16 and he felt as if his time was wasted arguing with me. Later, he finds in his Utopian Society thread (https://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?137282-Can-technology-save-us) that I had also commented my views on his prompt, or so I would assume, because he stated that "he didn't want to argue with a juvenile" as well as the misconception that age and maturity are correlated. (The arguments were not stated to be poor, simply the fact that he did not want to argue because of my age.)

This is the reason, or so I take, that this thread was started and is supported by Mr. Lanthrop. He doesn't want to argue with people under 16, but a certain person who is under 16 has differing views. That's the only reason he seems to has.

As for maturity, if someone can point out what about the arguments I posted were immature, I'll change it. However, as it stands the only support he has for the supposed immaturity is stereotypes based on age and the aforementioned differing views.


I propose that a requirement for joining the forum is to accept differing viewpoints- You can debate them, so long as it is allowed on the forum rules but you cannot try and bar others with those opinions out.

blackbrandt said:

Thank you for the biggest smile I've had all day. And btw, I just turned 18.

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I though you were an old fart!

Until I looked at your age on your profile.
Said the creeper.

If you look at a situation expecting to see a result, regardless of how that situation turns out, you will see that result.

This doesn't apply to definitive results, say, lotteries. It applies to subjective ones like behavior.

Unfortunately, many people lack, including in certain times myself, the ability to look and think objectively.

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Interesting,.., who we talking about?

Anbways, I think the min age should be at least 30. and the min BAC at least .12

DavidMcCann said:

Interesting,.., who we talking about?

Anbways, I think the min age should be at least 30. and the min BAC at least .12

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Isn't that how Mr Pippienburg does all of his posts?

andrewlathrop87 said:

I have child and at any point he may ask that, but I will not tell him the real answer. I believe you should be married when you have children. By the time your married you should know where babies come from and how they are made. By the time a person becomes in high school they should all ready know. But they should not exercise there gifts until they are married. There is no reason to tell that type of information to anyone younger then 16. They will learn it when they are ready. I hope I answered your question.

What genie are you referring to?

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I usually stay far away from stuff like this....but what in the actual F are you smoking? Wow.

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DavidMcCann said:

Interesting,.., who we talking about?

Anbways, I think the min age should be at least 30. and the min BAC at least .12

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This guy

[video]https://youtu.be/BPAeVYgbw4U[/video]

If we bring alcohol to this discussion, one of two things will happen: We will all simmer down and start respecting EVERYONE, or, we will continue tearing each other apart increased vigor.

The forum is supposed to be constructive, not destructive. While this discussion may merit some debate, I think 4 pages of arguing is enough. (Also, don't feed the fire. You know who you are)

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And your stirring the pot. That was mostly directed to you, but also to everybody.

So ends my involvement to this thread.(For reals)

Edit: It is not that I necessarily disagree with all you have said, you are just going about it wrong.

An age limit on a site that exists to promote rocketry is indeed absurd.

I'm 55 and the OP has not earned my respect with this thread.
Too many generalizations in his replies here.

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While Andrew and I probably have diametrically opposed opinions on life, there is nothing served by hating on him and adding personal attacks to this discussion.

So.. who likes rockets? I for one am excited about the new loads coming out for the AT29/40-120 case in 2017.

Maybe if someone is showing immature (regardless of age) behaviour, or breaking etiquette to the point of it needing to be pointed out to them, maybe a subtle PM to them explaining the requirements is in order. Some people are slow picking up on that sort of stuff.

In amateur radio there is an etiquette that says you will never bag anyone on air or tell them they are doing something wrong or against regulations at the time. The usual response to that is to ignore the person with the behavioural problem and, perhaps if it is warranted, talk to them discreetly about it.

djs said:

So.. who likes rockets? I for one am excited about the new loads coming out for the AT29/40-120 case in 2017.

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Ima build a rocket with barbarian horns for fins....

andrewlathrop87 said:

I dont think you understand. I refer to schooling. These days parents dont respect teachers then that flows into the kids, the kids then dont respect the teachers.

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It's really important that we teach respect? Is this how you do that?

Hey Thisty aren't you the Queen Bee on that forum?

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Huh. As the great man said, maybe you should remove the beam from your own eye before you try to remove the speck from your neighbor's eye.

PS This is serious, and I honestly hope you will read it and think on it, even if you ignore everything else in this thread. If you think that banning the internet and anything over PG from your house will keep your child from watching it ever, you are sadly mistaken. All it will do is ensure you will never know what your child watches.

ThirstyBarbarian said:

Thanks for the explanation. That is DEFINITELY me! That's why EVERYONE is wearing horns now. I started that!

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I totally drink tea (with my pinkie out) every day because of you! But I only wear the horns to the 17th of May Parade.

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Fred Garvin said:

Ima build a rocket with barbarian horns for fins....

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Pointed up or down?

Andrew,
I understand. I too hate this ill punctuated, disillusioned stream of whining coming from those a year or two younger then myself. I can't believe it when kids started requesting to learn about contraception, drugs or Newton's 3rd Law of Motion.
The solution is simple. Child concentration camps. Not only should children be restricted from learning about rocketry, they should be restricted about everything harmful; Plastic bags, scissors, terrorism, nosecones. What will you do when your child starts asking about fillets? How does a parent even begin to describe that force over time is impulse. Behind those barbed wire fences children will be freed from the horror of learning about the world. Yes, there will be broken bones. Yes, there will be lashings corresponding to a child's decibel level. Yes, there will be several deaths in the mines, but the innocence of our children must be preserved.
Thank you for speaking up about this. We need a revolution, and where it will start is a thread on the Rocketry Forum.

Thank you for standing with me on this vital issue.