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Figured I'd ask you guys as I value your opinions....
Windows 10, yes or no??????
Thanks in advance
Mark
PS I'm old, I like my PC
 
I have been trying to install it for free, as they keep pestering me. But my machine is having a Windows Update issue that prevents it from loading. Not a good sign. But I guess the issue with 8.1, not 10, since I don't have 10, yet.
 
If you have 8/8.1... DEFINITELY UPGRADE.

If you have 7? Hard choice. I have 7 on my machine just because a few things aren't compatible still.
 
I need to have a couple of hours to figure out why Windows Update won't install it. One article says to remove all your USB devices. Another speaks of registry clean-up. God only knows with Microsoft.
 
If you have 8/8.1... DEFINITELY UPGRADE.

If you have 7? Hard choice. I have 7 on my machine just because a few things aren't compatible still.

Exactly ^. I just put Win 10 on my brand new system. (I7-6700K, Z170 chipset). I've found a few things I don't like compared to Win 7. Updates (to Windows)... you used to get options to 1. turn them off 2. select them from a list BEFORE they were downloaded 3. Download them automatically and then choose when to install them. 4. Auto DL/Auto Install. With Win 10, you only get the latter two. There are also numerous recording and cache features that I've yet to figure out how to turn off, despite my massive Google-fu skillz. There are some other items as well that aren't executed as well (require more clicks) as win 7. However, I do like the native support for some high-end features and Cortana (Siri-like interface verbally).
 
I have Cortana disabled due to the ridiculous amount of data MS is harvesting from it. My computer has the bare minimum of data being released to Microsoft. With Cortana on, they have your exact location at any time. I may be a bit paranoid, but I have all that location crap turned off.
 
I say yes. I've been running it since the preview version and haven't had any problems.
 
I say yes. I've been running it since the preview version and haven't had any problems.

ScottJ, it seems you have a lot of time with the new system. Could you please give a little more info to compare/contrast from your usage of 7 and 8? That may help lots of us make up our minds.
Thanks.
 
my win 7 machine had issues with the win update 'upgrade', possibly a corrupt file among the upgrade files, so I did a manual upgrade which sort of worked. there were somethings that were strange like no visible search box. then it started throwing start menu crashes. ended up doing a clean install(if you want the 'free' upgrade, that is the order in which you have to do it). since I had done a full back up all I was out was some time. windows 10 didn't even quibble about me installing Thunderbird. I did however create two user accounts, the account that has the 'Microsoft account(windows 10 store etc.) does not have admin privileges.
Rex
 
I like my Win7 PCs and am frustrated beyond belief by the Get Windows 10 nagware ms is pushing out under the guise of updates. I've had to roll back KB updates maybe 5 times because they keep coming. And those updates automatically download Upton 5 GB of WinX installation files. Yuk.
Updating isn't an option for me as in use windows media center on those PCs. They removed it from WinX.

That all said, I've heard mixed reviews. If it weren't for my need for WMC I would back up my system, do a clean WinX install, try it out, and make my decision based on the experience.



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My Win7 install has, somehow, become corrupted and all attempts to repair it (short of wiping all data from the hard drive and starting over) have been unsuccessful, so I am attempting a free upgrade to Win10. Even there, the install has failed twice. There is significant documentation online that this is not entirely unusual. The workaround that I am currently attempting is to download the update to disk, burn a DVD, and install from the DVD. My first attempt at downloading the update to disk has also failed. The second download was still running when I left for work this morning.

Good luck.
 
I put my download on a usb drive and installed from there, two things to remember; one, win 7 needs service pack one installed. two, right click/run as admin on the installer 2a, the installer takes some time to actually come up on screen I would give it a couple of minutes or so before you conclude that it isn't working. good luck,
Rex
 
You could always upgrade to Apple...:)

That's ok, no thanks necessary just trying to be helpful...

Now back to the upgrade...
 
You could always upgrade to Apple...:)

That's ok, no thanks necessary just trying to be helpful...

Now back to the upgrade...

Yeah I was waiting for that one. :bang:

Just a quick word of caution for Windows 10 bus jumpers. There is a lot more telemetry going from your system back to Microsoft. If you are truly concerned with privacy you should proceed with caution and if you do not know what you are doing, you should seek advice from a professional. When I say professional I don't mean you next door neighbor's kid who everyone thinks is smart with computers, more often than not that is just a perception. Here is a cut and paste from the privacy agreement in Windows 10.

"Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to: 1.comply with applicable law or respond to valid legal process, including from law enforcement or other government agencies; 2.protect our customers, for example to prevent spam or attempts to defraud users of the services, or to help prevent the loss of life or serious injury of anyone; 3.operate and maintain the security of our services, including to prevent or stop an attack on our computer systems or networks; or 4.protect the rights or property of Microsoft, including enforcing the terms governing the use of the services – however, if we receive information indicating that someone is using our services to traffic in stolen intellectual or physical property of Microsoft, we will not inspect a customer’s private content ourselves, but we may refer the matter to law enforcement."

If that does not concern you or cause you to pause then think about this. Windows 10 gathers information in many ways, one of which monitors key stroke activity. This technology is known as a Key Logger and is typically used to spy, whether for nefarious or monitoring to enforce acceptable usage policies. MS claims they aren't really logging all of your keystrokes, but they actually can.

Incidentally MS has always collected information and have even had some of the telemetry collecting services installed in previous O/S', however they have really stepped up the game in Windows 10. For anyone running Windows 7 and up have you ever wondered what "Windows Diagnostic Tracking" service is, or "Customer Experience Improvement Program"? These are data collecting services, scheduled tasks, etc. that have been there for a while, but mostly innocuous in nature up to Windows 10.

This is one area where Apple is currently a better choice, although they have recently (late 2014) begun collecting and storing user's location statistics. Keep in mind that Steve Jobs was not a big fan of collecting user data statistics, however now that he is gone and considering MS is leading the way, I suspect that will change.
 
Yeah I was waiting for that one. :bang:

Just a quick word of caution for Windows 10 bus jumpers. There is a lot more telemetry going from your system back to Microsoft. If you are truly concerned with privacy you should proceed with caution and if you do not know what you are doing, you should seek advice from a professional. When I say professional I don't mean you next door neighbor's kid who everyone thinks is smart with computers, more often than not that is just a perception. Here is a cut and paste from the privacy agreement in Windows 10.

"Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to: 1.comply with applicable law or respond to valid legal process, including from law enforcement or other government agencies; 2.protect our customers, for example to prevent spam or attempts to defraud users of the services, or to help prevent the loss of life or serious injury of anyone; 3.operate and maintain the security of our services, including to prevent or stop an attack on our computer systems or networks; or 4.protect the rights or property of Microsoft, including enforcing the terms governing the use of the services – however, if we receive information indicating that someone is using our services to traffic in stolen intellectual or physical property of Microsoft, we will not inspect a customer’s private content ourselves, but we may refer the matter to law enforcement."

If that does not concern you or cause you to pause then think about this. Windows 10 gathers information in many ways, one of which monitors key stroke activity. This technology is known as a Key Logger and is typically used to spy, whether for nefarious or monitoring to enforce acceptable usage policies. MS claims they aren't really logging all of your keystrokes, but they actually can.

Incidentally MS has always collected information and have even had some of the telemetry collecting services installed in previous O/S', however they have really stepped up the game in Windows 10. For anyone running Windows 7 and up have you ever wondered what "Windows Diagnostic Tracking" service is, or "Customer Experience Improvement Program"? These are data collecting services, scheduled tasks, etc. that have been there for a while, but mostly innocuous in nature up to Windows 10.

This is one area where Apple is currently a better choice, although they have recently (late 2014) begun collecting and storing user's location statistics. Keep in mind that Steve Jobs was not a big fan of collecting user data statistics, however now that he is gone and considering MS is leading the way, I suspect that will change.

Trust me, Apple is just as bad. :)
 
Oh you mean downgrade to inferior hardware? No thanks!

The hardware is OK (I have a MacBook Pro that I actually use as a doorstop), it's the industrial design and the proprietary sell your soul nature of the company that I have issue with.
 
I upgraded to Win10 several months ago with little or no problems. You should perform a check disk for errors, and a registry clean BEFORE attempting the upgrade.
 
As it is a resource hog and I'm running a fairly older system (Core2 Quad at 2.66, Win7 Pro 64) I'm not letting go of what I have until they pry it from my cold, dead fingers....:dark:
 
I have it running on 3 PCs no problems. Oldest is a 10 year old laptop dual core 2.0 GHz, 500 GB hard drive 4GB RAM and no problems.

Two of them were Vista and XP machines that didn't meet the free upgrade criteria, but I was able to install for free anyway, go figure.

You can turn the tracking settings off, don't know what the big deal is there. The parental monitoring controls are pretty great if you create a child account on your system.

It's even better with a Windows Phone and Onedrive. Everything Office related transfers from phone to computer pretty seamlessly.
 
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My advice...if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Maybe if you need to buy a new computer, then jump (but keep the old one, just in case).

I'm using Win7 and everything runs the way I want it to. I'm not changing a thing anytime soon.

The main selling point of Win X is always that it is always "way better than old, buggy X-1." Then, when Win X+1 comes out, they always tell you how crappy Win X is! Sheesh....I think of all the time I spend getting things to run the way I like, and then all the lost productivity I encounter when I install a new OS, find old stuff doesn't work, have to buy new programs...I don't even want to think about it.
 
Windows 10 has worked fine for me in standard computer-ey type work, though for our studio editors & recording PC's, Windows 10 failed miserably, and I had to roll back to Windows 7.

The Audio Drivers are not out there yet for Windows 10 for professional gear. I suspect they will wait a while until Windows 10 looks more stable (if ever) before diving into them waters!

Windows 10 -- It's never done!

:)
 
I prefer what my Grandfather always told me when I was working on my vehicles.
(headers, supermag, higher lobed cam, etc.)
Boy, if it ain't broke...DON"T FIX IT!
My son and I just got custom ordered Cybertron PC's the first of the year with 8.1.
They are still screeming fast so 10 stays on the shelf for us.
 
Yeah, conspiracists and what not. Overblown.

Hi Mark,

My post wasn't meant as a shot towards you, more as a matter of fact, and it applies to me as well, I know much less than I would like to know on this topic.

The fact is I run a small IT company and one of the services we provide our clients is something that I would describe as akin to software robotics. Each one of our clients has a particular standard or level of compliance that they may have to adhere to. As an example the standard may come from an exterior force in the case of investment companies where they handle personal and confidential client financial information, and are entrusted with that information. In this case they need to mitigate their exposure or they could be held liable. Another reason could be to protect company proprietary information, in the case of intellectual property. There are many more legitimate reasons.

None of them are paranoia or conspiracy based.

At our NOC (Network Operations Center) our monitoring technology monitors many things, some of which is network traffic moving in and out of the clients firewall and you would be amazed at what we see. Actually you would likely disconnect your PC from the internet and never connect it back up. As it pertains to the MS telemetry MS has been challenged on W10 and their position so far is pretty clear...it is here to stay. The only softening they have made is to say that you can turn it off, as you pointed out, however it goes deeper than that. MS has openly said that turning it off will not be the end of it as their automated updates can, and very likely will turn it back on every chance they get.

Our systems look for this activity in real-time, or scheduled, and have the ability to turn it back off, block it, or do anything we deem necessary to protect our client from inadvertently revealing information that they are entrusted to protect.

The bottom line is it's not fear mongering, paranoia or unsubstantiated conspiracy theory stuff, it is real and having knowledge about it is key as well as empowering.
 
from what I've read, M$ is busy installing the 'snooping' software(as part of software updates) on win 7 & 8(8.1) so staying with an older os will not protect your privacy. there will be a largeish update to win 10 in early November(some say Nov 2nd) so you might want to hold off a couple of weeks(if possible) to upgrade.
Rex
 
If you have 8/8.1... DEFINITELY UPGRADE.

If you have 7? Hard choice. I have 7 on my machine just because a few things aren't compatible still.

^^^THIS^^^

If you have 7, stay there. If you have 8/8.1, go to 10. Virtually every corporate user that I have spoken to is doing just that. Windows 8 was a miserable failure for corporate users because things just stopped working. When you're talking hundreds of users, it's not just an annoyance anymore.
 
Today I got a forced update to my Outlook email. I reset my computer and I got the do not shutdown while updating thing. When I went to Outlook it does not instantly go to my email, I got the whirling wait thing then I got a new interface. I have my update setting to notify me before any update, they just took over and did it anyway....what's next?...
 
Is there any issues with the "Favorites" transferring over from 8.1 to 10? My internet provider (Century Stink, I mean Century Link) sent out an e-mail recently saying in order to keep your "Favorites" , you will need to put them into a folder, then retrieve it after the install (something to that effect). Is that correct? I am running 8.1 on a couple year old desktop with a program I downloaded called "Classic Shell", which makes it look more like 7.
 
it might sound scary, but the process is fairly simple*; https://www.wikihow.com/Copy-Favorites (caution becarefull where you click, ads abound). this should get your favs over to the new OS. you will have to 1st import them to ie, from there you can import them to edge(if you desire). from 'ms edge' click on the '...'(if you hover your mouse over it the pop up will say 'more actions), scroll down to 'settings' which will bring you to import favorites from another browser which will then give a choice to import from ie, click on it. yes you will need to do this even if you keep your data during the upgrade. evidently edge doesn't do the import unless told to do so.
Rex
*if you upgrade with the option to keep your data the favs should transfer fine...however I would suggest that backups be made of everything you want to keep, just to be safe.
 
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