AIM-54 Scale Data

I've searched many times, using many search strings, for a scale drawing of the Phoenix missile. And I've had Zero luck.

Does anyone know where I can find one? How accurate is the Estes Phoenix? Or the MadCow Phoenix?

I'm building a (hopefully) scale, heavy walled, 29mm MMT, 2.64" Phoenix. I'm going to be looking at DD and capable of I200 flights. I just need reliable scale data to get it right.

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use the internet wayback machine to look at Jim Ball's scale site...he had Phoenix drawings. I can't give you a link because our work admins block the wayback website (google internet archive)

Another big thumbs up for Jim Ball's website.

Tried the way back machine. It's showing Jim Balls as part of rocketry online. I need the proper I'll it seems if the wayback is going to be able to show it.

I can get access to the Jim Ball site on archive.org but many of the gifs/files are not saved at that location and are unavailable.

Enter "jim ball scale data" into a search engine, I used one called Google.

Click the first link returned, for the Northern Virginia Association of Rocketry.

Click on the link "Jim Ball's Scale Library of Missile Data"

Find AIM-54A data about a third of the way down the page.

Please send me one unopened package Estes E16-4. PM me for shipping info. :wink:

The real loss on the Jim Ball AIM-54 data is if you scroll down the page past the first Phoenix reference there is a link to another section on the AIM-54C which had the actual Raytheon Blueprints that Bob Kunz requested via the Freedom of Information Act. The first section on the home page has a fair .gif with dimensions.

BAZINGA I used the old location
https://web.archive.org/web/20061017174656/https://www.yellowjacketsystems.com/jimball/phoenix/

https://web.archive.org/web/2006100...acketsystems.com/jimball/scale-data/scale.htm

rocketguy101 said:

BAZINGA I used the old location
https://web.archive.org/web/20061017174656/https://www.yellowjacketsystems.com/jimball/phoenix/

https://web.archive.org/web/2006100...acketsystems.com/jimball/scale-data/scale.htm

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[best James Earl Jones voice]: " Impressive. Most impressive."

That's some strong Google-fu rocketguy !

rocketguy101 said:

BAZINGA I used the old location
https://web.archive.org/web/20061017174656/https://www.yellowjacketsystems.com/jimball/phoenix/

https://web.archive.org/web/2006100...acketsystems.com/jimball/scale-data/scale.htm

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We have a winner!

rocketguy101 said:

BAZINGA I used the old location
https://web.archive.org/web/20061017174656/https://www.yellowjacketsystems.com/jimball/phoenix/

https://web.archive.org/web/2006100...acketsystems.com/jimball/scale-data/scale.htm

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We do indeed have a winner! Beyond awesome. Hours of searching led me to only insanity. Time to scale up a nice Phoenix. I'll share the files here when I have it done.

I've also noticed a "different" Little John on display at the Space and Rocket Center. The fins are different and resemble the aft fins of the Phoenix. I'm taking a tape measure with me next time I go. I'll need to scale it out. I'll post a picture and a RockSim file when I do.

Thanks again everyone. The help was phenomenal.

samb said:

[best James Earl Jones voice]: " Impressive. Most impressive."

That's some strong Google-fu rocketguy !

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I have my moments It was amazingly difficult to find the yellowjacket reference!!! Everybody had been diligent to update the links on their webpages...finally found a thread on TRF about "Jim Ball Closing" and the old link was there.

Kruegon...please post a build thread with lots of pics!! Good luck with the build...the Phoenix has a special place in my heart because I grew up in Tucson, and heard about the Hughes plant all the time.

Well I have found one missing dimension. The height of the forward fin at the front. I suppose I could assume the drawing is true scale and measure. But that's just be a guess at best.

If i am reading one of the .gifs correctly from Jim Balls Scale Data the forward fins leading edge is 3.90" tall on the actual missle. Trailing edge is 10.056" , Root Edge is 38.945".

I haven't broken down the actual schematic yet. Just the scale drawing.