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I'll second both motions... I'll guess it was kids who panicked and left their stuff behind. I'd be willing to bet they'll get caught if they don't come forward, since they probably left all kinds of finger prints on the equipment.
 
Here in Arizona - even when it isn't dry (which isn't often) - we bring tons of water, a couple fire extinguishers, a shovel and a rake. I would hope other responsible parties would do the same.

Sorry for the double negative. What I'm saying is - even when the launch conditions seem very safe....we take a lot of precautions to ensure we are ready in the event something goes very wrong.
 
K'Tesh said:
I'll second both motions... I'll guess it was kids who panicked and left their stuff behind. I'd be willing to bet they'll get caught if they don't come forward, since they probably left all kinds of finger prints on the equipment.
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Fingerprints on kids? Did these kids have military service in their backgrounds or were they previously arrested by law enforcement?
 
bradycros said:
Fingerprints on kids? Did these kids have military service in their backgrounds or were they previously arrested by law enforcement?
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Yeah, gotta agree with that. Unless they are on record, there is no way. What will probably happen is that little jimmy and billy or whomever will tell someone and then it will get back to someone who will report it to either daddy or the cops...

or they will go back to see if their stuff is still there.

any way you slice it, it sucks.
 
bradycros said:
Fingerprints on kids? Did these kids have military service in their backgrounds or were they previously arrested by law enforcement?
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I was printed multiple times as a child, lost kid type stuff. I've got to assume they still do that....

edit: https://www.missingkids.com/ChildID yep.


Now if thats available to law enforcement, I don't know. Also, I doubt they'll bother printing that stuff.
 
The prints will likely go into a database... Sooner or later the kid will get printed and a match will be made. Presuming of course that the launch equipment wasn't damaged by the fire.
 
K'Tesh said:
The prints will likely go into a database... Sooner or later the kid will get printed and a match will be made. Presuming of course that the launch equipment wasn't damaged by the fire.
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What data base are you referring too?
 
Doesnt matter which data base, National Crime Information Network allows local law enforcement to access all kinds of information "if it has been entered into it". The NCIN is available to all federal, state, and local authorities, its most common use is during traffic stops all the officer needs is a social security number or a drivers license number to access information on you. Fingerprints iirc are maintained as part of this data base but require the use of computer matching from fingerprint cards and prints "lifted" from evidence. Fingerprints change slightly with time as you get injuries/scars, burns etc. Which can make id more or less difficult depending on how recent the master in the computer. Fingerprints from childrens safety programs may or may not be part of the system.
 
bradycros said:
May or may not be part of the system? That's pretty vague.
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Because I don't know the answer to it, many local police departments sponsor the drives and may only keep them on an internal database, also my experience with the NCIN is about 20 years back, when we used a terminal to access the system from the MP station, fingerprints at that time were not part of the system, but it was being planned. I was an Army MP, and we had access to the same information as every other law enforcement officer, MPs probably are still 20 years back in technology. Given what we can do with computers today, with a social security number, your license number, name, address, I can find where a person lives, how much they paid in property taxes, family members, yada yada, Facebook, Myspace and all the social networks are a conspiracy theorist wet dream, because of the associations they link you with.
 
rharshberger said:
Because I don't know the answer to it, many local police departments sponsor the drives and may only keep them on an internal database, also my experience with the NCIN is about 20 years back, when we used a terminal to access the system from the MP station, fingerprints at that time were not part of the system, but it was being planned. I was an Army MP, and we had access to the same information as every other law enforcement officer, MPs probably are still 20 years back in technology. Given what we can do with computers today, with a social security number, your license number, name, address, I can find where a person lives, how much they paid in property taxes, family members, yada yada, Facebook, Myspace and all the social networks are a conspiracy theorist wet dream, because of the associations they link you with.
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Thank you for your service, I am retired Air force.

If it was a couple of adolescence that started the fire, chances are they are off law enforcement radar.

Perhaps the tried and true method of law enforcement pounding the bricks, knocking on doors in the neighborhood and asking questions will produce results.
 
Like someone else said the police will probably just wait until the perps call attention to themselves or via one of their friends. Unless there was significant property value damage.
 
rharshberger said:
Like someone else said the police will probably just wait until the perps call attention to themselves or via one of their friends. Unless there was significant property value damage.
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Well all the cops have to look for are parents that provided the means for an adolescent to acquire rocketry supplies in a given area. This should prove to be easy since kids will blab about rocket launches and who was doing in it. After knocking on doors of privet residents and schools results are gonna happen. None of that requires a data base.
 
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bradycros said:
Fingerprints on kids? Did these kids have military service in their backgrounds or were they previously arrested by law enforcement?
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When I was a Kid, we had field trips to the local Police Stations where we would be fingerprinted.:confused:
I think I also had to get fingerprinted to get my Passport too when I was 7.
 
I've gone out of my way, all of my life, to avoid being finger-printed. Then one day I got this job and the first thing they did was make me give finger-prints.
 
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It was an accidental brush fire for petes sake...

What is all this about finger prints...

Nobody died and no structures were lost...

All that is needed is a call to the NSA...

Most likely, there is satellite video of the alleged crime...
 
bradycros said:
Well all the cops have to look for are parents that provided the means for an adolescent to acquire rocketry supplies in a given area. This should prove to be easy since kids will blab about rocket launches and who was doing in it. After knocking on doors of privet residents and schools results are gonna happen. None of that requires a data base.
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Schools there is only one school in Sahuarita
 
KidRockET said:
It was an accidental brush fire for petes sake...

What is all this about finger prints...

Nobody died and no structures were lost...

All that is needed is a call to the NSA...

Most likely, there is satellite video of the alleged crime...
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Agreed. A prosecutor would have to have a serious bug up his tailpipe to pursue this case (not that it's out of the question, just unlikely)...this is local TV news trying to drum up some excitement.
 
KidRockET said:
It was an accidental brush fire for petes sake...

What is all this about finger prints...

Nobody died and no structures were lost...

All that is needed is a call to the NSA...

Most likely, there is satellite video of the alleged crime...
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It's what people do here. Knees are jerked at the slightest. Busses are rolled. As a group we tend to eat our own.
 
KidRockET said:
It was an accidental brush fire for petes sake...

What is all this about finger prints...

Nobody died and no structures were lost...

All that is needed is a call to the NSA...

Most likely, there is satellite video of the alleged crime...
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Yea...fingerprints? really? whos gonna go through all that.......... wait? satellite footage..... um..... whut?


I'm betting this is forgotten on someone's desk by mow.
 
Exactly where in the report were the suspects identified as "kids"?
 
Reporters often get "facts" wrong. Was there a photo of the model rocket launch pad? Of course, we do not know what the rocket was or the motor. Was it too big a model for the pad? Was it windy at launch time (it was later during fire time)? Was the rocket built properly? Did launch pad tip over or "dance"? And where were they on the night of March 21st at 9 pm?
 
shreadvector said:
Reporters often get "facts" wrong. Was there a photo of the model rocket launch pad? Of course, we do not know what the rocket was or the motor. Was it too big a model for the pad? Was it windy at launch time (it was later during fire time)? Was the rocket built properly? Did launch pad tip over or "dance"? And where were they on the night of March 21st at 9 pm?
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All good questions, put the thumbscrews on 'em....

As a number have said the police probably have more important cases to work, as long as there was no property damage or personal injury. However in most areas if the individuals are caught, they are respondsible in whole or in part to pay the costs of fighting a fire, along with the cost of injuries sustained by fire fighters, etc.
 
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foamy said:
I've gone out of my way, all of my life, to avoid being finger-printed. Then one day I got this job and the first thing they did was make me give finger-prints.
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They GAVE you fingerprints? You weren't born with any? :p
 
rharshberger said:
Good point, as even adults can make this kind of unintentional mistake, any wind on dry material in the desert can turn into a huge fire in no time.
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I have personally witnessed numerous occasions at organized launches where allegedly responsible adults have willfully ignored common sense safety rules instituted by both the NAR and Tripoli organizations. It's called launch fever and no individual or group is immune. It's entirely possible that unsupervised children were responsible for this fire. It's also quite possible that it resulted from two rednecks and a "hold my beer and watch this" scenario.
 
tmacklin said:
I have personally witnessed numerous occasions at organized launches where allegedly responsible adults have willfully ignored common sense safety rules instituted by both the NAR and Tripoli organizations. It's called launch fever and no individual or group is immune. It's entirely possible that unsupervised children were responsible for this fire. It's also quite possible that it resulted from two rednecks and a "hold my beer and watch this" scenario.
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We had a Dad and his kids out launching a couple of years ago near Kennewick WA flying LPR and accidentally started a fire about 1000 acres before it was contained.
 

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