Ares I scale data?

[BsSmith]

Does anybody have any useful websites to find data for the Ares I? I have found a few small PDF files for the I-X and a few basic measurements for it, but nothing extremely useful for building a model rocket. I am asking because I have plans to build a HPR scale model of one.

I guess there isn't many sites that have scale data for a rocket that doesn't exist yet.

 

[brianc]

Actually, back in 2005 NASA issued an RFP for models of the
new launch vehicles. The proposal documents contained quite
a bit of scale data (at that point in the program).

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...69bdbf5d3a29b4dd2a3d43ec2a2&tab=core&_cview=1

https://prod.nais.nasa.gov/eps/eps_data/118283-SOL-001-001.doc

https://prod.nais.nasa.gov/eps/eps_data/118283-SOL-001-002.doc

 

[rocketguy101]

check the archive (https://www.rocketryforumarchive.com) there were a couple builds and data posted there

 

[Delta-IV]

Those are very good reference material, but as us Engineers go, we are never happy with the design and there have been some changes. I don't have access to the current design data but I do know the Escape System and outer cover over the Orion has changed from those drawings that Brian provided the links for.

There are some NASA folks here on TRF that may be able to help, but as always most drawings and data is now either proprietary or for official use only.

 

[luke strawwalker]

Go to www.nasaspaceflight.com and check out the forums section. There is a LOT of data over there about Ares I and TONS of links. Sorry I'm away from my regular computer so don't have direct access to my links or I'd share. There is a good one that you can find by googling Ares I though, can't recall the name right offhand but it has a lot of good information about it. There is also some good paper models out there that possibly have files you could peruse for scale data.

Ares I has changed more than times than a crack dealer's underwear at a policeman's convention. The outer mold line of the design has changed repeatedly in response to the severe problems they've been having with the design and trying to squeeze every possible ounce of weight and performance out of the design. The latest (IIRC) is the 606 Orion and the "Kaiser hat" boost protective structure, which actually enshrouds the conical Orion capsule inside an ogive boost protection cover for improved aerodynamics and reduced drag. There has also been some development work on the MLAS escape system which would replace the tower and tractor escape rocket with 6 solid rockets mounted circumferentially around the BPS, but I understand that while it's still in the mix for future upgrades or Lunar Orions it's not baselined for the ISS Orions. It's all pretty confusing and you really have to hunt for the information, as it's not as 'open' as you'd expect.

I turned a really nice balsa nosecone for a BT-70 upper stage for a 1/100 Ares I (D/E power) in the 606 version (pre-bullet BPS) and I'm sticking with it.

Good luck! OL JR

 

[Delta-IV]

...............Ares I has changed more than times than a crack dealer's underwear at a policeman's convention. The outer mold line of the design has changed repeatedly in response to the severe problems they've been having with the design and trying to squeeze every possible ounce of weight and performance out of the design.

..and they could had just made redundancy changes and upgraded engines (actually in-work) in our Delta IV or Atlas V and had a proven rocket...but that's politics....

 

[rocketguy101]

..and they could had just made redundancy changes and upgraded engines (actually in-work) in our Delta IV or Atlas V and had a proven rocket...but that's politics....

Hopefully the Augustine Commission will examine these issues and make some changes...here is a link you can post a question or vote on one that is already posted -- https://hsf.nasa.gov/qa.php I just checked it, and looks like it might be down right now.

 

[brianc]

Hopefully the Augustine Commission will examine these issues and make some changes...here is a link you can post a question or vote on one that is already posted -- https://hsf.nasa.gov/qa.php I just checked it, and looks like it might be down right now.

Did it move to here?

https://www.nasa.gov/offices/hsf/home/index.html

EDIT: oops! nevermind. Just noticed the QA link on that page points to
the URL you posted. Also saw an AP news item that the hsf.nasa.gov
site was just launched yesterday (6/8/09)... Guess they're having
growing pains.