Sooner Boomer
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Anybody here shoot a Contender? What barrels/calibers?
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I think they are my only choices. No sure, so asking the question.
Indeed, they will be your only choices. I prefer lever, but bolt can technically be made with more fit precision.
I say that because a great lever will have more fit precision than a super budget bolt.
You a cowboy or a sniper?
Sniper, but there might be room in the barn for a lever as well.
I have a Ruger 77 22-250 currently as my favourite firearm.
Also considering a straight-pull 12ga shotgun.
I have a Mueller 8x32 on another rifle. Nice scope.Vortex makes great glass! But for a 10/22 scope, I don't think you can beat the Mueller Eraticator 8.5-25x x 50 AO for the money. I can shoot standing slung at any magnification. I can shoot off-hand at 8.5x all day. Or I can shoot NRL22 from a bag, or bench rest even. Big objective compensates a bit for a little less perfect glass.
Still MSRP under $300... I bought mine a decade ago for not much less than that. Shoots like a $1000 scope.
Mine repeats which is cool. Illuminated dot reticle if you want to turn it on... 11 brightness levels. I built a range card for mine.
I also used a set of adjustable scope mounts with inserts that allowed me to align the scope and rifle "bore lines" to either be parallel to infinity or converge where I want. I always choose parallel. It was worth the time and money to use them. Do not know if they still make them.
It's a 50mm objective lense, so you might need taller mounts. BEST to mount to the barrel, preferably a bull barrel. Mounting to the receiver with a slip fit barrel is not quite as "true" as a direct barrel mount.
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Almost all my guns are lever guns. All Winchester or replicas. They’re a hoot to shoot. And there’s a bunch of different calibers to choose from. I’m just a plinker.
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There is a Ruger 77/22 bolt action, but about all it shares in common with the 10/22 is the magazine iirc. Its a very nice rifle though not very customizable.
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Yes but I currently own an Encore, as for current calibers 30-06 factory 24", 7mm-08 17", 22-250 factory 24" bull barrel. At one point I owned two contender frames and over 30 barrels in various calibers from 22 LR and Hornet to 45-70 Government, some gems I really had fun with (after forming the brass) was .30 Herret, and 17 Mach IV and 17 Hornet.
I don't believe so because imho it doesn't make sense to for it to be a 10/22 bolt action at least because one of the biggest benefits of the 10/22 is the ability to change barrels and for bolt actions, they are usually not and instead the barrel is integral to the upper receiver/firing chamber for accuracy and ease of manufacturing.
There may have been one company who did it years ago because I think I read about it in a 10/22 build book I had, but when I looked for it, it was no longer made.
This may be the closest currently available, but it's not really any benefit unless you already have a 10/22 or really like the rotary magazine.
Even the trigger section is different; however, drop in replacements are available.
Disclaimer: Believe it or not, I may be wrong here since I don't have experience with the Ruger American and don't actually know everything.
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Ya beat me to it because I was way too slow to the draw! Lol
I stopped writing temporarily try to dig up the old 10/22 build book. No joy.
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These Ruger American Rimfire rifles look pretty nice. Bolt action, but they use the same Ruger BX magazines as the 10/22. Lots of options from the factory for different types of stocks and barrels configured for different purposes. I have no experience with these, but it seems like a close match to the idea of a 10/22 that is not semi-auto.
https://ruger.com/products/americanRimfire/overview.html
https://ruger.com/products/americanRimfire/overview.html
I believe you're seeking a "Ruger Australian" instead
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Since components are still stupid priced for reloading I’ve done some expanding in the 22LR arena….
CZ 457 MTR with a Vortex Viper 6-24 on top and a Ruger Precision 22 with another Vortex 6-24
CZ 457 MTR with a Vortex Viper 6-24 on top and a Ruger Precision 22 with another Vortex 6-24
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Henry just released this new Homesteader 9mm semi-auto carbine that reminds me a lot of my Ruger PC Carbine.
Both the Homesteader and PC Carbine are 9mm semi-auto carbines. They are very similar in barrel length, overall length, and weight. Both use their own proprietary magazines but also support interchangeable mag wells to accept Glock mags and other manufacturer’s mags. Both have similar style and similar located iron sights.
The main differences are that the Henry has a wood stock and fore end, while the PC carbine is synthetic. The PC Carbine is a takedown, while the Homesteader is not. PC Carbine has an integrated picatinny rail machined into the receiver, the Homesteader does not. The PC Carbine is available from the factory with a few different variations for stocks, hand guards, and chassis, and there’s a lot of aftermarket options, while the Homesteader has just the one traditional-looking carbine format. And the Homsteader MSRP is a couple hundred bucks more.
It looks like a pretty nice rifle. A lot of the posts on various gun forums is that many people wish the PC Carbine came with an option for wood furniture. A lot of people hack their own to get that look and feel on their PC Carbines, so this might appeal to them.
I kind of wish it were lighter. Both the Homesteader and the PC Carbine seem like they are heavier than necessary for a 9mm carbine.
The Homesteader is a brand new model, just being released, so there are not very many reviews yet.
I think it will have some appeal to some people. I like the traditional wooden furniture. I think if it had been available when I was shopping for my carbine, I would have definitely given it a look. But most likely I still would have ended up with my PC Carbine based on the price, takedown, and more adjustable stock and aftermarket options.
https://www.henryusa.com/news/introducing-the-homesteader-9mm/
Both the Homesteader and PC Carbine are 9mm semi-auto carbines. They are very similar in barrel length, overall length, and weight. Both use their own proprietary magazines but also support interchangeable mag wells to accept Glock mags and other manufacturer’s mags. Both have similar style and similar located iron sights.
The main differences are that the Henry has a wood stock and fore end, while the PC carbine is synthetic. The PC Carbine is a takedown, while the Homesteader is not. PC Carbine has an integrated picatinny rail machined into the receiver, the Homesteader does not. The PC Carbine is available from the factory with a few different variations for stocks, hand guards, and chassis, and there’s a lot of aftermarket options, while the Homesteader has just the one traditional-looking carbine format. And the Homsteader MSRP is a couple hundred bucks more.
It looks like a pretty nice rifle. A lot of the posts on various gun forums is that many people wish the PC Carbine came with an option for wood furniture. A lot of people hack their own to get that look and feel on their PC Carbines, so this might appeal to them.
I kind of wish it were lighter. Both the Homesteader and the PC Carbine seem like they are heavier than necessary for a 9mm carbine.
The Homesteader is a brand new model, just being released, so there are not very many reviews yet.
I think it will have some appeal to some people. I like the traditional wooden furniture. I think if it had been available when I was shopping for my carbine, I would have definitely given it a look. But most likely I still would have ended up with my PC Carbine based on the price, takedown, and more adjustable stock and aftermarket options.
https://www.henryusa.com/news/introducing-the-homesteader-9mm/
You know, that is a really pretty rifle. Short barrel, silencer available... I pop over here once in a while, but you guys throw terms and acronyms around that go right over my head. Still, it seems to me for home protection you can't beat a shotgun; I've often said you don't actually need the gun, just a motion detector that triggers a good speaker playing the sound of a shotgun racking, the intruder will be gone quickly with a sudden need to change his underwear! I'd just have it for coyotes and other annoyances, maybe a close shot on a deer (I've never been a hunter, but enough is enough around here!).
My beloved has this "We need one/ I'm scared of them" attitude. We got our PA License to Carry a few weeks ago, and it's like I keep telling her - we'll get some training (loaner gun provided), pick out a handgun, nice little thing, his & hers, and then make sure we go to a range.
It's funny, she wants one for when we're out riding bikes in semi-remote rail trails; I figure that's probably the last place you'd ever need one unless it's for wildlife, you surprise a bear or something. But still, as I've seen on the memes, when it comes to self protection, they're like a parachute - if you need one and don't have one, you'll likely never need one again!
My son has a Ruger LCP II in .380, and that's a nice sized gun to just slide in your pocket, but what "triggered" me here was the 9mm aspect - I understand that's much more readily available, and with a little beauty like that rifle, I can simplify buying ammo. All I have now is a little .22 revolver and my ancient Marlin-Glenfield .22 rifle with the crappy little scope it came with.
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It is a good looking rifle, isn’t it?
I’m not a very experienced gun owner, so probably at about the same level of knowledge as you, and a lot of the jargon goes over my head too.
I bought my first gun during the pandemic for home defense, and I picked a shotgun because I thought it would be pretty effective for that use. But like you said, you need to practice and stay familiar with your guns, and that’s been a problem for me with the shotgun. There’s almost no opportunity around here to just find a local spot to shoot casually. I’m not into skeet and trap. And the nearby indoor range only allows slugs, which are expensive. There’s another range that allows shot, but it’s too far to be convenient.
So my next gun was my Ruger PC Carbine, which is a lot like that Homesteader rifle I talked about above. I really like that gun. I think it would be a good home defense gun if I decide not to keep the shotgun.
Like you mentioned, 9mm ammo is abundant and inexpensive compared to some other calibers. It can also simplify your ammo situation if both your handgun and long gun use the same stuff. And in the case of the PC Carbine and the Homesteader, both have the option to change the magazine well to accept Glock mags or some other brands. So for a lot of popular handguns, you can actually share magazines between your handgun and your long gun—not just the ammo, the actual mags. So for example, if you had a Glock 19 handgun, you could use the same magazines in your Glock 19 and your PC Carbine or your Homesteader. That keeps things simple. I’m trying not to let my interest in shooting spin out of control in terms of the amount of crap I’m buying and storing. So this interchangeability is really appealing to me.
Another thing I like about my PC Carbine that I’m sure also applies to the Homesteader is that it is extremely easy to operate. It shoots soft and accurately. It’s a lot, LOT less physical than operating the pump shotgun. So if you are going to be sharing it with your wife, that might be a consideration.
I always wanted one of these when I was actively shooting. So much stuff left on the ground at indoor ranges.
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That’s an interesting one! I’ve never heard of anything like that.
A word of warning about little guns. They have more felt recoil than a larger gun. IMHO a .380 is under powered. The recoil is almost as much as a slightly larger 9mm. A .22lr has almost as much energy as a .380. Sometimes I carry a Baretta Bobcat in .22lr with quick shock ammo. The bullet is segmented, in breaks into 4 pieces on impact. 90 foot pounds of energy. Which is right up there with .380 energy. The bullet goes 1645FPS. That's fast for a .22lr. I would recommend a 9mm. Something the size of your open hand. A good grip will go along way to be able to control the recoil. As a new shooter something like a Glock 43 would be good. The only safety is the safe action trigger. It works like a revolver. Pull the trigger and it goes bang. Single stack magazine to keep it slim and easier to conceal. Carry extra magazines. There are a lot of options in guns that size. Handle as many as you can and pick the one that feels the best. That's what I used to do with my customers. Keep the gun simple to operate. In a stressful situation you won't have time to guess. Become intimately familiar with your gun. A way I practice with a new gun is to shoot bad guys on TV. I put a snap cap in and no bang bang. You get how to pick up your front sight and how the trigger feels. Get trained by an instructor. Not by a buddy. Tell the instructor what you want to accomplish. Once you have the basics of gun handling down practice and practice some more. If possible shoot 50 rounds and no more once a week until you establish muscle memory. More than 50 and you can get tired and lose your focus. You want to be able to draw and shoot with out conscious thought. The only time I had to draw I wondered how my gun got in my hand. It was a very mean big dog that came at me out of the dark. It was a good thing I had a flashlight. The light blinded it and it finally went away. Which brings me to another recommendation. Get and carry a small very bright flashlight. It can blind an attacker long enough for you to get away. If you live in an urban environment and go for a walk just keep the light in your hand. About rural areas and trails. There have been people kidnapped and killed while walking trails. The one I remember happened on the Application trail. I have a friend that has a full size .22lr he has when he goes camping. Not for the four legged animals either. Carry it where ever it is legal to carry. Think the last mall shooting or in Walmart. You just never know when you will need it. A bit of fact. According to the FBI most self defense shootings happen at 5 yards or less in low light. And if IIRC only 20% of the shots hit. Adrenalin and stress with reduce you effectives way down. I think it goes down 50%, again IIRC. I would be happy to answer any of your questions. I spent the last 6 years before I retired selling guns and teaching people how to shoot.
Thank you very much for that, it really helps. It details pretty much exactly where I wanted to go with this - I kinda had the academics down well, but the doing is different, as you note. I was trained when I was younger as part of a college ROTC program, by no less than Army Rangers and Special Forces people (oh, the stories I have from those guys!), and the first time I ever shot a live rifle, they invited me to join the rifle team (only 220/300 in the three positions, but hey... beginner's luck). I was the fastest in my class for disassembly/reassembly of the ol' faithful .45. But still, almost 50 years later... I'm a new shooter. 'Bout all I've done is plugged some ground hogs or a rabid racoon now and then.
The energy comparison between a .22LR and a .380 is interesting. .22 LR is as cheap as it can get, though your fragmented version may cost a shekel more, and it wouldn't be as intimidating to my beloved. And yes, the flashlight. I've been told hold it out at arms length then turn it on, if they rush the light its put you at a tactical advantage.
Thanks to you, @ThirstyBarbarian, for your last post toward me. Very helpful!
Super advice Teepot!
I grew up in a very tough high crime neighborhood and agree 100% with everything you said.
Here's a nice Ozark Trail flashlight I got at Walmart years ago and I liked it so much that I got more as gifts for my friends and family.
Additionally I train my reflexes daily by quickly pulling a long spoon out of a container and catching it in mid air. Your brain gets trained to think quickly and things almost slow down.
I can't recommend enough running as great exercise as well as a survival tactic.
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It's a nice rifle, and will easily hit what you point it at. My experience is that it is more accurate than my auto 10/22, even though my the semiauto has a very nice aftermarket trigger.
Mine has a threaded barrel if you need to shoot varmints without upsetting the neighbors, but I've never had the patience to buy a suppressor.
Getting a suppressor is easy. It's the waiting that is a pain. I have 3 now and 2 in ATF limbo. The ATF has added a bunch more people and things are speeding up. Some sellers on Gun Broker will let you do layaway too. Prices have come way down from 8 years ago when I bought my first one. A .22 suppressor is less that $300. Some are $250.
The feet stirrups are something!
Umm... err... Actually, that's my wife watching me considering the purchase of more rocket stuff...
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