Page 32 of the 2023 Estes catalog?
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You have driven me to buy a few. Thanks for the inspiration.
When I got back into the hobby with my grandson, I bought him a Tandem-X starter set and me an ESAM-58 from HL. Later found out the ESAM-58 was an exclusive and a booster-less version of the Sasha. It’s a great flyer.
Allensmith, I do recommend you install an 24mm motor mount though, as the ESAM is heavy and underpowered. I fly mine on an C5-3, which works well, but it doesn't go that high (a bit over 400'). If I were to build another one, I'd put in an 24mm motor mount, some noseweight, and use D motors. 
Dad of Sapling
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I would love to look at page 32 in the new catalog, but unfortunately the post office decided to empty a bottle of perfume it it. So here I wait for the replacement.
Does it at least smell nice?
Dad of Sapling
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As my dad would say Smelled like a French "cat" house.
rharshberger
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They also had a SA-3 standoff scale-ish iirc, but any search now seems to bring up only the Sasha.
i'm with the OP regarding an intense disdain for russian politics right now, but it's an emotional response, not logical or moral, to boycott a particular scale rocket. i personally would not have an issue building a sidewinder, though the actual missile has surely killed humans. Rockets themselves were conceived to deliver a large lethal payload and kill people indiscriminately. The mercury and gemini capsules were placed on top of ICBMs, designed for killing. If we're really soap-boxing it here, all rockets are bad mojo if just for the conception
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It turns out powerful tools can be used for good or for evil. And we largely make miniaturized copies of powerful tools.
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While you wait for the printed replacement, you can download a pdf version or view an online interactive version here--->>> https://estesrockets.com/catalogs/
Yeah. That’s true. If I built another, it would have the 24mm mount. I do like the C5-3 in it, and I’ve flown it with AT 18 mm D engines.Allensmith, I do recommend you install an 24mm motor mount though, as the ESAM is heavy and underpowered. I fly mine on an C5-3, which works well, but it doesn't go that high (a bit over 400'). If I were to build another one, I'd put in an 24mm motor mount, some noseweight, and use D motors.
My old man used the same line.
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... and an Estes SCUD kit recently sold for $224.50 on ebay!
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I believe it was Centuri that had the SA-3 model.
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Pretty sure you would know Bob, thanks!
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In the 1950s and early 1960s, many schools had atomic bomb exercises. They were called duck and cover. Children hid under their desks with hands over their heads. The Cuban missile crisis was a particularly critical time that elicited fear among children and adults alike. Regardless, Revell, an American company, released several kits of Russian bombers. Did we think that was awful? Did we run to our cry room? Absolutely not. We looked forward to more releases.
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Just because something was done a certain way in the past, doesn't mean it's ok or justified.
I'm not saying Revell did anything wrong (besides produce so-so kits, but I digress...) or shouldn't have sold those kits. But just because a company did something in the past doesn't automatically mean a similar business practice is fine to do today.
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You clearly missed the point of the post. The point was....
"Did we think that was awful? Did we run to our cry room? Absolutely not. We looked forward to more releases."
mh9162013
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Who's "we?"
I personally think it's a bad thing to do what you referenced concerning Revell. I wouldn't cry or make a post online about it, but I think what Revell did in the past was the wrong thing to do. However, I recognize that times change, and what society sees as ok in one generation may not be the same for a later generation.
In other words, I don't apply today's standards to the somewhat distance past, just like I don't expect standards from the somewhat distant past to necessarily be applicable today.
What is your opinion of Ford motor cars? Because Henry Ford was a serious racist, and Jew hater, and anti-union guy. The Germans actually gave him a medal. So is it okay to buy a Ford car or not? If we are going to complain about a company selling a product we don't like, then maybe it would be more productive to protest something that actually happened, instead of hand-wringing and grasping at straws to complain about.
https://www.history.com/news/henry-ford-antisemitism-worker-treatment
Or how about Nike and Apple products? They use Uighurs for forced labor in their factories. Not to mention their Chinese buddies committing not only genocide against said Uighurs, but other crimes like forced sterilization, rape gangs, etc. What's your feeling on that? Or do they get a pass because you like their products?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53481253
mh9162013
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Many companies have pasts they'd like to forget. Many companies do things today that they'd rather not talk about or keep quiet. I'm not talking about those things. I'm not even talking about whether companies should be boycotted, called out or anything else for things they do or don't do. I'm just saying that you (the general you, not necessarily you in particular) shouldn't use something happening in the past (and some or most people being ok with it) as a means to justify what someone does today.
i just had to replace the remote component in my mom's ceiling fan, so i'm fully aware that the only thing in life that really matters is hating all ceiling fan manufacturers, however i'd like to point out that complaining about someone complaining is just as much complaining.
Yes, all of them, all manufacturers. Replaced mom's fixture 2 times, gd led bulbs still flash and stutter for minutes after turning on. GF house needs a new fan, broken blade, mo replacement available, grumble. I'm going to take all the blades off and put on sticks with rockets on the ends.
Erich von Falkenhein was famous for wearing one occasionally. He was in charge of inconclusive German operations at the Battle of the Somme and the Battle of Verdun, but succeeded at knocking Romania out of the war and later took a field command in Syria, so he was pretty well-known at the time. He died in 1922, before the Nazi takeover.
If you are interested in Russian rocketry and the "Semyorka" R7 in particular, check out these free eBooks, available through NASA.
https://www.nasa.gov/connect/ebooks/rockets_people_vol1_detail.html
Written by an electrical apprentice who went on to be the Chief Control Systems Engineer of the R7, under Sergi Korolev. Really well written and translated.
...Except that the totenkopfs on the Der Red Max are not SS-style 3/4 profile ones, but are face-on, and some have pickelhauben, which were worn by German troops in World War One.
The skull and crossbones massively predates nazism and is far from specific to them, even in western culture alone, so calling out the ones on the Red Max when they are not even in the same style as the ones worn by SS is just silly and reaching.
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