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Money, or cotton paper, actually does have value within the context of a functioning society. These guys made billions, and that’s real money with real value and real power in our society. Their mistake is thinking it will help them if that functioning society falls. The bunker is temporary. You have to come out eventually, and if the society that gives your money value has disappeared when you come out, then yes, all you have is cotton paper. Save it for TP. The fact that it is washable is going to come in handy.
They’re not stupid and I don’t believe they’re stockpiling paper money or even the copper/zinc coins we use.
I suspect they are converting it into something that can be traded, something that might retain or even gain value in a post apocalyptic world. Obviously ammunition and dried food or water filters comes to mind, but even something as mundane as canning jars and pressure cookers could be in high demand. Gotta be able to process and store the grubs and cockroaches when you find them. 😁
 
What do you think? Do these tech billionaires have what it takes
mentally and emotionally? And how long can they sustain that? Are they going to mentally and emotionally dissolve? Have they already?
Depends how much quality bourbon they have stashed in the concrete shooting gallery. :cheers:
 
My belief system tells me that the notion of somehow surviving the disaster in your bunker, you're going to emerge up in the mountains eating your granola bar while looking down on the world while everyone else just DIES is a fantasy...

In a sense, they are the hunters today. When they come out of their safe place, I wonder if they realize they will be the pray?
And there will be many more hunters than pray. The world will a very barbaric place. Will they have what it takes to cope with living?
 
The more people involved in your "survival plan" the more likely it will fail. And by failure, I'm referring to divulging your hiding spot, stealing your supplies, backstabbing you, etc.

If the world ended like these billioniares fear, how many people will know not just the existence of this "fortifications," but also their weaknesses?
Agreed. They aren't building the bunkers by themselves. Excavation, concrete, wiring, plumbing, HVAC, huge amounts of supplies, transportation to the site, etc. Lots of people will know where the bunkers are. And as Steven pointed out, some people are likely to survive...but finding the bunker without GPS might be a chore.

Of course, there's one way the owner could ensure that no one would know where the bunker is (other than the allowed persons). And a billionaire is undoubtedly ruthless enough to do it. Still, that doesn't solve their problem of security after the event. Unless the owner and family are willing to cook, clean, fix the plumbing/HVAC/air/water as needed.
 
As to their initial question, "How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?"

Good luck with that.

If the event was severe enough to require a bunker for survival, your money, and likely your gold, or whatever you were paying those Navy Seals and Green Berets with, isn't going to be worth much. If their families weren't in your bunker, then... they have nothing to lose. If their families *were* in the bunker, then their absolute loyalty will always be to their families first, to the people they trust second. And that second group is likely to be the other security people and *their* families.

In that situation you would only be able to command (ie. "maintain authority") by virtue of trust, respect, and relationship and, if your only relationship with your security force is one of employer/employee, your wealth and perception of self-importance isn't going to get you very far. Odds are good that, at some point, one of them who carries the respect of his/her peers will take command, or they will band together and democratically elect someone in the bunker who has earned their respect.

As I said, good luck with that.
 
As to their initial question, "How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?"

Good luck with that.

If the event was severe enough to require a bunker for survival, your money, and likely your gold, or whatever you were paying those Navy Seals and Green Berets with, isn't going to be worth much. If their families weren't in your bunker, then... they have nothing to lose. If their families *were* in the bunker, then their absolute loyalty will always be to their families first, to the people they trust second. And that second group is likely to be the other security people and *their* families.

In that situation you would only be able to command (ie. "maintain authority") by virtue of trust, respect, and relationship and, if your only relationship with your security force is one of employer/employee, your wealth and perception of self-importance isn't going to get you very far. Odds are good that, at some point, one of them who carries the respect of his/her peers will take command, or they will band together and democratically elect someone in the bunker who has earned their respect.

As I said, good luck with that.
Great points.

I watched some Youtube videos (so they must be true, right?) about survival preparations and how the guy in the video (said he was ex-military) talked about how rich people would hire him to give advice on how to fortify their homes in case SHTF.

If I recall one of his videos correctly, he talked about how a group of people who know and trust each other very well was paramount to securing a location where more than a small group of people would be living. In other words, you can't do it yourself and of the people you rely on for help, they must be people you can trust.

I have nothing against people spending loads of money on SHTF bunkers. But without several other families/friends to live with you to help you keep that location secure and provide mutual help to each other, it's a waste of money.
 
I suspect they are converting it into something that can be traded, something that might retain or even gain value in a post apocalyptic world. Obviously ammunition and dried food or water filters comes to mind, but even something as mundane as canning jars and pressure cookers could be in high demand. Gotta be able to process and store the grubs and cockroaches when you find them. 😁
In a post apocalyptic world young women would be the tradable commodity. Sorry, not my idea but reality.... Also alliances would need to be made, most likely ex law enforcement or military will be the power leader centers.
 
They’re not stupid and I don’t believe they’re stockpiling paper money or even the copper/zinc coins we use.
I suspect they are converting it into something that can be traded, something that might retain or even gain value in a post apocalyptic world. Obviously ammunition and dried food or water filters comes to mind, but even something as mundane as canning jars and pressure cookers could be in high demand. Gotta be able to process and store the grubs and cockroaches when you find them. 😁
Other things of value:
Antibiotics
Cigarettes
Alcohol (stuff to drink and use for disinfecting)
Common Rx medications
Salt
Toilet paper
Gasoline/petroelum products

You get the picture...
 
Also alliances would need to be made, most likely ex law enforcement or military will be the power leader centers.
Alliances would be paramount, yes. I think ex-military/LE would make the initial leaders, but I think anyone really good with people (such as a Xerox salesman or zookeeper *snorts*) who surround themselves with experts in usable skills (medicine, hunting, construction, weapons, etc.) would be the eventual leaders.
 
I started to write a movie script about this very subject: Prepper Billionaires..... In my script, a hedge-fund manager buys a luxury survival shelter, and rides out the apocalypse with his family. But upon exiting after it's all over, discovers a wasteland nightmare, and finds out that you can't eat cash. He doesn't know how to skin an animal, he doesn't know how to properly forage for food. If you've ever watched the Discovery show "naked and afraid", all these self-proclaimed survival experts are the first ones to tap out and be air-lifted by helicopter to a hospital after drinking stagnant water, or something similarly stupid. And so it goes with our "poor" hedge-fund manager. Surviving gangs of raiding parties pillage the shelter, taking his remaining food, and what remains of the family as well. With nothing left, he realizes that there was no point in being a "survivor", and all his wealth and power of the past was inside of the 1's and 0's of computers that no longer exist, and now he has to live like an animal, like the people he looked down on when he was rich.
 
They’re not stupid and I don’t believe they’re stockpiling paper money or even the copper/zinc coins we use.
I suspect they are converting it into something that can be traded, something that might retain or even gain value in a post apocalyptic world. Obviously ammunition and dried food or water filters comes to mind, but even something as mundane as canning jars and pressure cookers could be in high demand. Gotta be able to process and store the grubs and cockroaches when you find them. 😁
In a post apocalyptic world I would trade billionaires for Amish. The Amish are skilled and self sufficient. I'd trade Thurston for the professor, and of course Ginger and Mary Ann.
 
Anyone with a skill or good at working with their hands will have a value towards rebuilding the world. Remember that in a pinch, you can tie 3 car batteries together into a crude stick welder and start building stuff.
 
I started to write a movie script about this very subject: Prepper Billionaires..... In my script, a hedge-fund manager buys a luxury survival shelter, and rides out the apocalypse with his family. But upon exiting after it's all over, discovers a wasteland nightmare, and finds out that you can't eat cash. He doesn't know how to skin an animal, he doesn't know how to properly forage for food. If you've ever watched the Discovery show "naked and afraid", all these self-proclaimed survival experts are the first ones to tap out and be air-lifted by helicopter to a hospital after drinking stagnant water, or something similarly stupid. And so it goes with our "poor" hedge-fund manager. Surviving gangs of raiding parties pillage the shelter, taking his remaining food, and what remains of the family as well. With nothing left, he realizes that there was no point in being a "survivor", and all his wealth and power of the past was inside of the 1's and 0's of computers that no longer exist, and now he has to live like an animal, like the people he looked down on when he was rich.

I have an idea which you are free to use in your screenplay: In the end, the billionaire’s employees band together and eat him.
 
Remember that in a pinch, you can tie 3 car batteries together into a crude stick welder and start building stuff.
That reminds me, how-to books, would be very valuable. Books on gardening, home repairs, advanced first aid, plumbing, electrical work, etc. would be worth their weight in gold...I mean ammo and cigarettes...
 
What you read on Kindles aren't books. Just sayin'...
YES!!!! Yes a thousand times. I recently joined NAR, and they said they were going to send me a handbook of model rocketry. I eagerly awaited this book to arrive in the mail, and later found out I had to download it as a PDF. I then had to buy a tablet so I could read my "book" in the bathroom. Not as nice.
 
My nephew, who is a grown man with a family, lived with my wife and I at our house about 7 or 8 years ago, and we used to watch a lot of apocalyptic shows, like The Walking Dead. One day we were talking about it, and he said something about how he figured he and I, his dad, and brother-in-law could probably make a pretty good show of it in such a scenario and provide for us and our families.

He asked me what I thought, and I said flat out, “No!” He was kind of deflated by that.

He thought since we all had experience camping, and we all knew how to shoot a gun, we’d be able to survive. Ha! First, the kind of camping most of us did together was car camping with big coolers of food from the supermarket. The shooting was at targets or plinking. None of us ever went hunting, and the weapons owned by the group are not hunting weapons. No one was a particularly good fisherman. Most of us could grow a garden, but we are not farmers. The idea that any of us would last longer than our food in the pantry and the generous amount of belly fat we all have been packing away over the years was a total joke to me.

Look at the amount of food in a shopping cart when you do a weekly shopping trip. There’s no way most people are going to be able to hunt, grow, or forage that much in a week. At this point, there isn’t even enough game, fish, or forage left in nature to support even a fraction of the population. Even the people who know how to survive off the land won’t be able to last long when EVERYONE switches to trying to live that way.

Our only hope is to keep this society functioning so we can keep the agriculture that feeds us running, along with all the logistical infrastructure that makes agriculture, food processing, and distribution possible. If there’s an “event” that knocks it all down, most people will starve within months or a year. Maybe with a billionaire bunker, you could hold out for significantly longer, but unless civilization gets back on its feet, long-term prospects are not great.
 
YES!!!! Yes a thousand times. I recently joined NAR, and they said they were going to send me a handbook of model rocketry. I eagerly awaited this book to arrive in the mail, and later found out I had to download it as a PDF. I then had to buy a tablet so I could read my "book" in the bathroom. Not as nice.
You could always print it out, right? I do that sometimes with PDFs.
 
The professor couldn't fix a hole in a boat.
There was a reason for that. In an early episode he came up with a glue to patch the ship up. Unfortunately it wasn't permanent and as it lost plank by plank being thrown into the air, Gilligan was left standing holding the steerage wheel in what remained of the hull.
 
My nephew, who is a grown man with a family, lived with my wife and I at our house about 7 or 8 years ago, and we used to watch a lot of apocalyptic shows, like The Walking Dead. One day we were talking about it, and he said something about how he figured he and I, his dad, and brother-in-law could probably make a pretty good show of it in such a scenario and provide for us and our families.

He asked me what I thought, and I said flat out, “No!” He was kind of deflated by that.

He thought since we all had experience camping, and we all knew how to shoot a gun, we’d be able to survive. Ha! First, the kind of camping most of us did together was car camping with big coolers of food from the supermarket. The shooting was at targets or plinking. None of us ever went hunting, and the weapons owned by the group are not hunting weapons. No one was a particularly good fisherman. Most of us could grow a garden, but we are not farmers. The idea that any of us would last longer than our food in the pantry and the generous amount of belly fat we all have been packing away over the years was a total joke to me.

Look at the amount of food in a shopping cart when you do a weekly shopping trip. There’s no way most people are going to be able to hunt, grow, or forage that much in a week. At this point, there isn’t even enough game, fish, or forage left in nature to support even a fraction of the population. Even the people who know how to survive off the land won’t be able to last long when EVERYONE switches to trying to live that way.

Our only hope is to keep this society functioning so we can keep the agriculture that feeds us running, along with all the logistical infrastructure that makes agriculture, food processing, and distribution possible. If there’s an “event” that knocks it all down, most people will starve within months or a year. Maybe with a billionaire bunker, you could hold out for significantly longer, but unless civilization gets back on its feet, long-term prospects are not great.
This reminds me of the book and movie, The Road. I think it shows a fair outlook on what a post-apocalyptic world will is more likely to look like.
 
Plenty of civilizations have fallen in the past due to invasion or natural catastrophe, and I’ve wondered about what happened to the city dwellers in the aftermath. Most of us have jobs that are not related to directly producing food or trade goods, especially if you had to switch to doing it by hand. And that’s been true for at least some city dwellers throughout history. What happens to them when the market for their specialty is suddenly gone and the only thing that matters is food?
 
If I recall correctly, Argentina had an economic collapse around the late 90's early 2000's. A blogger wrote about his experiences living in the aftermath. It was very eye-opening regarding how to survive during a mild disturbance. Not a Mad-Max event, but just a downfall. The basic takeaway was: make friends with your neighbors. They will watch your house when you are out, preventing your place from being robbed. You'll need stuff to bribe the police. Don't think that hiding out in the country is a good idea, other people will find you, and then there's no help if you're isolated. Banding together in a group is the strongest way to keep out of trouble, and the more people in your "group", the better off you'll be.
 
There was a reason for that. In an early episode he came up with a glue to patch the ship up. Unfortunately it wasn't permanent and as it lost plank by plank being thrown into the air, Gilligan was left standing holding the steerage wheel in what remained of the hull.
He was dumba*s then. No professor in my doomsday alliance, except Terry.
 
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