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On the science channel of spectrum TV channel 77 there is a 2 hour documentary about the balloon bombs
released by Japan during WW 2 and they drifted across the Pacific Ocean and landed as far east as Tennessee.

They actually found a live bomb from one balloon in 2014

there is a rerun of the documentary on later this afternoon on the same channel

Bobby
 
My father said he saw one, something unknown way high, in Washington state. He did not know it was a balloon weapon until decades later when we were watching a documentary show.
 
I wish that I had known about the 2014 find... I was recently in a dispute with some idiot on FB over these. He was pointing out how the motor of an expended/detonated WWII V2 might have harmful VOCs associated with it. I was pointing out how balloon bombs were much more likely to be hazardous due to unexploded ordinance, how one killed several members of a church group near my home in Oregon, and how few people know what balloon bombs look like, and he was dismissive of that. At least I was able to raise the awareness of a few more people to its existance.
 
Donald Piccard, of the Piccard family known for pioneering work in ballooning and deep sea exploration, made his first solo balloon flight in a "captured" WWII Japanese Fu-Go balloon. The balloon he used was made from paper made from mulberry bushes. There was an article written by him about this first flight in the Smithsonian Air and Space magazine -
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/one-balloon-bomber-slightly-used-2162519/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Piccard#First_post-WW2_balloon_free_flight
 
Just randomly bombing anybody downwind from you. No conscious - no soul.
Everybody downwind of Japan was either ocean or an Allied country. This was no more or less targeted than most of the Allied strategic bombing campaigns in either Europe or Japan. We also did similar things, like attaching incendiary bombs to bats to randomly burn down Japanese holes when the bats roosted for the day.

Whether any of the strategic bombing campaigns (particular night raids, which were horrendously inaccurate and primarily had the goal of destroying cities) had any effect or demonstration of a human soul is probably up for debate. I’m just saying that you can’t complain about balloon bombs and simultaneously be in favor of the RAF night bombing raids against German cities.
 
Everybody downwind of Japan was either ocean or an Allied country. This was no more or less targeted than most of the Allied strategic bombing campaigns in either Europe or Japan.
You're joking, right? I know your smarter than this, I've seen your other posts.

You're equating a floating balloon bomb that has no directional guidance, with "strategic bombing".

Shameful comments on your part. Many brave young men died trying to ensure accuracy of bombing targets.

And the day you chose to make this comment.. even worse.
 
You're joking, right? I know your smarter than this, I've seen your other posts.

You're equating a floating balloon bomb that has no directional guidance, with "strategic bombing".

Shameful comments on your part. Many brave young men died trying to ensure accuracy of bombing targets.

And the day you chose to make this comment.. even worse.
I am 100% not joking. And I make it in full recognition of my grandfather's service piloting B-24s over Southern Europe. He flew 50 missions and never lost a crewmember when he was flying. He earned a DFC for bringing his plane home on three engines, which wasn't supposed to be possible. He kept the piece of flak that they dug out of the dead engine's oil cooler that evening as a key fob for the rest of his life.

Grandpa commented several times that the factories and refineries that they bombed were up and running a few days after they were hit. They bombed the same sites (and lost planes and men) several times. He wondered if it was really worth the cost in blood, though he was proud to have served. Feel free to discount his experience and his story if you want. I won't. Particularly today.

Back to balloon bombs and strategic bombing. The balloon bombs were the only way that Japan could bomb the US directly. The bombs were intended to cause fires in cities and forests were they landed. I'm not disputing that they were indiscriminate, but most strategic bombing in WWII was more or less indiscriminate. Everyone in an enemy country was a target, whether they were in the military or critical industry or not. And that's not surprising, since the entire economies of the nations at war were converted to war footing--everyone was supporting the war effort.

The US "precision bombing" was probably the best, because they were bombing in daylight and were actually targeting military and industrial facilities. Their CEP (50% of bombs land in the CEP radius from the target) was ~1200'. So even the *best* targeting had 50% of the bombs landing more than a quarter mile from the target. That was considered pretty good, even though it certainly killed plenty of civilians.

I spoke of the British bombing campaign deliberately, because it's stated (though not publicly) goal was to destroy civilian housing. Churchill said "as the war went on, we hoped to shatter almost every dwelling in almost every German city." They were bombing at night to reduce losses of their bombers, and they simply didn't have the sights needed to accurately bomb at night. They got over a city and released. In a way, it was worse than the balloon bombs because they knew they were bombing population centers. The general in charge of Bomber Command specifically opposed bombing targets like factories and refineries. [Air Force Magazine article on this very subject]

Oh, and the bat bombs I mentioned? They had a "CEP" of 20-40 *miles* and were intended to start fires to destroy homes. They were only cancelled because they wouldn't be ready in time to materially affect the war effort.

Yes, the balloon bombs had no guidance, and probably had a CEP of hundreds of miles at best. That made them a waste of resources more than anything else--they were unlikely to actually hit anything worthwhile. But let's not pretend that the Allies' hands were clean of attacking civilian infrastructure, homes, and people. War is a dirty business, and we can remember that today and every day.
 
Well you could always compare the Japanese balloon weapon program to the British balloon weapon program. Which one was more indiscriminate?Or the controversy as to did the Japanese really consider linking their biologic weapons program to the balloon program. Or perhaps the morality of firebombing the Japanese cities in comparison. Why involve the European Theatre at all.
Although it might be safer to discuss, is potato starch a better glue than….
 
In war you play to win. Win by any means. I don't have a problem with balloon bombs. After all we were fire bombing Tokyo. Then there was Dresden, Coventry and London. All fire bombed. More people were killed in Japan by fire bombing than by the 2 Atom Bombs. In total war there are no non-combatants. Just look at Ukraine. The whole country is a free fire zone for the Russians. While Putin won't call it a war, the rest of the world is. And the rest of the world wants Ukraine to win and win by any means.
 
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