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For today's entry is a classic starter set kit... The Estes Challenger-1 (1416)



With a plastic PRP-1G fin can and a PRP-1H nosecone, this was a very simple build. I don't know if there are other variants of this kit out there with different nosecones or fin cans., but with a production run from 1977 to 1986, it's entirely possible. If you've got a version with a different nosecone or fin can please share it. I've passed the instructions for my kit onto JimZ, or you can view them on my flickr page.

Sim is based on an actual sample I managed to get my hands on, though I did get some help on some measurements from John Boren.

Here's a concept for cloning the kit without the original plastic parts.



I've extended the body tube to make up for the plastic fin can, changed the fins from 1/32" plastic to 1/16" balsa, and swapped out the original two-piece, injected molded nosecone with the much more common PNC-50Y, single-piece, blow molded nosecone.

The Estes Mongoose's fin can could be used for preproducing the kit, however, I don't have a sample to model that fin can.

To clean this thread up a little, I created a feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it. Likes, however, are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like.
 

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Today's addition is the Estes Mega Sizz (1998)



Fins and decals are derived from a physical sample I have. The body tubes are based on measurements documented by John Brohm in his Estes Body Tube/Kit Reference, as my sample appears to have been cut down by whoever had it prior to me (IIRC, it was part of a lot, and was an open bag). From what I can tell, based on the catalog photo, the nosecone appeared to be less glossy than the body tube. As this is a very simple 4FNC, and the decals on the fins are found on both sides of all 4 fins, there's no tricks (save the engine hook), that should interfere with flight performance data.

I've shared my scans with JimZ for those who want to see them. The fins and decals are also archived on Flickr.

To clean this thread up a little, I created a feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it. Likes, however, are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like.
 

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And for today... It's the current take on the Estes Super Neon (7242)



There have been two previous versions (both were given the kit number 2050) that used the PNC-50YR nosecone. This one uses a new (at least to me) nosecone. As it has tube fins, with balsa fins glued on top of them they are not fully supported in OR 15.03. Because of that, I had to use a PBT to mount the fins in the proper location. This means, at least until the new version of OR drops, the flight characteristics are not accurate as is. By removing the PBT, but restoring the fins to the main body tube (through the magic of two objects existing in the same place at the same time that OR allows), I was able to come up with the flight data seen in the graphic.

I have plans on doing sims of the other versions, as they both unique (each version has a different length for the fin tubes), but I am lacking the info needed to finish them at the moment (I need good scans of the fins and decals with a ruler (for scale)).

To clean this thread up a little, I created a feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it. Likes, however, are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like.
 

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And for today... It's the current take on the Estes Super Neon (7242)



There have been two previous versions (both were given the kit number 2050) that used the PNC-50YR nosecone. This one uses a new (at least to me) nosecone. As it has tube fins, with balsa fins glued on top of them they are not fully supported in OR 15.03. Because of that, I had to use a PBT to mount the fins in the proper location. This means, at least until the new version of OR drops, the flight characteristics are not accurate as is. By removing the PBT, but restoring the fins to the main body tube (through the magic of two objects existing in the same place at the same time that OR allows), I was able to come up with the flight data seen in the graphic.

I have plans on doing sims of the other versions, as they both unique (each version has a different length for the fin tubes), but I am lacking the info needed to finish them at the moment (I need good scans of the fins and decals with a ruler (for scale)).

Excellent! I have one of these on my workbench right now. It’s actually the first model my friend is building.
 
Today's another LPR kit... The Estes Fireaero (1953)



The sim was created using an actual sample. There's air fins to get the logo decals applied. So, I put them on a PBT that you can delete to get flight data.

[EDIT] Updated the sim to correct an error in the nosecone found by ZoomieG. The correction is minor, and only increased the altitude by 4 feet. If you want, you could delete the previous version and download the new version.

To clean this thread up a little, I created a feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it. Likes, however, are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like.

Previous version downloaded 13 times.
 

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And for today... It's the current take on the Estes Super Neon (7242)



There have been two previous versions (both were given the kit number 2050) that used the PNC-50YR nosecone. This one uses a new (at least to me) nosecone. As it has tube fins, with balsa fins glued on top of them they are not fully supported in OR 15.03. Because of that, I had to use a PBT to mount the fins in the proper location. This means, at least until the new version of OR drops, the flight characteristics are not accurate as is. By removing the PBT, but restoring the fins to the main body tube (through the magic of two objects existing in the same place at the same time that OR allows), I was able to come up with the flight data seen in the graphic.

I have plans on doing sims of the other versions, as they both unique (each version has a different length for the fin tubes), but I am lacking the info needed to finish them at the moment (I need good scans of the fins and decals with a ruler (for scale)).

Nice work. I really need to learn how to do the graphics. You should put together a instructional video on Youtube for doing the paint jobs on these this. This work is amazing.

I've kicked around the idea of a 2.5 or 3.0 inch version of this with a slightly different fin design for a while and I might need to make it a reality now that I have a reliable sim file to begin with.
 
Nice work. I really need to learn how to do the graphics. You should put together a instructional video on Youtube for doing the paint jobs on these this. This work is amazing.

I've kicked around the idea of a 2.5 or 3.0 inch version of this with a slightly different fin design for a while and I might need to make it a reality now that I have a reliable sim file to begin with.
@Back_at_it There are quite a few OR tutorials on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=open+rocket+tutorial
 
Ok... To clean this thread up a little, I created a feedback thread. Please direct your questions, or comments there.

https://www.rocketryforum.com/threads/kteshs-openrocket-files-feedback-thread.165392/
If needed, you can hit the reply button to the post your interested in talking about, then copy and post that in the feedback thread.

All that said, you can hit the "Like" button on the posts with the designs you like to let me know which designs struck your fancy. This can serve as encouragement for me, and might guide me towards other kits for future sims.
 
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For today, it's the Estes Hercules (1377)(PNC-50Y variant)



I was unaware that this kit came in at least two variants during its production run (from 1982-1996), one with the PNC-50Y (blow molded) nosecone, and the PNC-50YR (injection molded) nosecone until my sample arrived. I found the instructions for the 50YR version on plans.rocketshoppe, but it was lacking any indication of scale on the decals, and the fins were a drawing. The decals I had in my sample are not a match for that version. So, I'll not be releasing the 50YR version I simmed up until I can get an updated scan of it's decals (they appear to be two tone red, instead of the red/orange of the PNC-50Y's decals/facecard). The instructions, fins, and decal scans* I made have been shared with JimZ, but have not been posted to his site yet. Due to the fin decals, I've added "air fins" to PBTs to show them. Deleting them should give good flight data.

*My sample's decals were damaged when the parachute stuck to them. I was able to peel it off, but there was some ink transfer from the parachute to the decals. The body tubes were squashed as well, so no scan showing them.

To clean this thread up a little, I created a feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it. Likes, however, are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like.
 

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Today I'm adding the Estes Raven (2029) (in production from 1990 to 1991) to the list...



Measurements on this sim come from the instructions found on Plans.Rocketshoppe (P.R.S), a photo from SCIGS30's build (for the shock cord length), and Back At It's scans and photos (fins and decals). For flight data, delete the PBT with the air fins, and you'll get accurate sims. You can now download the instructions, fins and decals on JimZ's site.

A couple of notes: The stock shock cord is woefully short, even if it was doubled in length. This kit uses self-adhesive silver foil decals. The name decals on the fins could be recreated by using a clear decal with black ink printed on it, applied over pieces of Chrome Trim Monokote (an idea from hcmbanjo).

Special thanks to ZoomieG for his photos, and getting this sim restarted again.
 

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Today's addition? It's the Estes TARTAR (1360)



Fins are based on new scans (@600 DPI) of a personal sample (scans done by Doug B). Sim has "Air Fins" attached to a PBT to accommodate the decals on them. For accurate flight simulations, simply delete the PBT with the "Air Fins". Scans of the decals, instructions, and flat parts have been submitted to JimZ to update his files, or you can download them by clicking these links... For the fins and for the flat parts.

To clean this thread up a little, I created a feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it. Likes, however, are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like.
 

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Now for those who just can't do things the regular way... I give you the Estes Renegade (1271)

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This is the same kit that I did for my "OpenRocket... The Tutorial (A first time user's guide to creating OR (.ork) sims)" tutorial. There's no tricks with this one... WYSIWYG...
There are at least two versions that I've been able to turn up, one with the black injection molded nosecone (this one), and another with the white, blow molded nosecone.

Instructions, fins and decals can be found on JimZ's site.

Special thanks to JimZ, Tim Smith, Saverio Prato and Rich DeAngelis II for their help with this sim. All The Best Guys!!!

[EDIT](put in after TSMILLER's comments (so, it's my bad, not his))
To clean this thread up a little, I created a feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it. Likes, however, are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like.[/EDIT]
 

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Now for those who just can't do things the regular way... I give you the Estes Renegade (1271)

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This is the same kit that I did for my "OpenRocket... The Tutorial (A first time user's guide to creating OR (.ork) sims)" tutorial. There's no tricks with this one... WYSIWYG...
There are at least two versions that I've been able to turn up, one with the black injection molded nosecone (this one), and another with the white, blow molded nosecone.

Instructions, fins and decals can be found on JimZ's site.

Special thanks to JimZ, Tim Smith, Saverio Prato and Rich DeAngelis II for their help with this sim. All The Best Guys!!!
This is the rocket that got me into the hobby way back in the 70's. I still have my original, if you can call a rocket that has been rebuilt so many times I don't think there is an original part left on it. I've also cloned one from Jim Z's files, with the tubes cut for creating a second in the work pile.
I recently created my own OR file of Renegade 1271 trying to teach myself how OR works.
It will be interesting to compare yours to mine. (I am 100 % sure yours is better and much more thorough!)
 
Today we Arrrrrr adding the Estes Long John Silver (1778) to the list.



Based on, the Estes Renegade (1271). From what I've read, this kit was never listed in the Estes catalog, and my searches back that up. It was apparently part of a special starter set that only available from toy stores (possibly Toys "R" Us)(much like the Epic II (7286) is only available from Hobby Lobby today). The Long John Silver's dates of production Arrrrrr a matter of debate. The instructions found on JimZ's site show that this came with the blowmolded PNC-60AH nosecone, unlike the early Renegade kits which came with the injection molded nosecone (there Arrrrrr photos found online that show the Renegade also came with a blow molded nosecone at some point). Unlike the Renegade, this was adapted to use 18mm motors instead of 24mm motors. A check found that the fins Arrrrrr identical in type/part number, and thus, quite likely, shape (the sure looked the same in the low quality scan I saw). UPDATED to OR 22.02. So, no more "Air Fins", if you've previously downloaded the file, you should delete it and download the new file.

The color photograph of the rocket at the top of JimZ's .pdf appears to be one of a clone, and the markings are not standard, nor do they reflect the decals provided in the kit (as shown in SCIGS30's build thread). Markings for this sim Arrrrrr based on SCIGS30's photos of the box. There is the implication of the kit having two silver fins in the drawing of the decal placement found in the instructions, but the colors Arrrrrr not specified. Besides, the silver that OpenRocket can simulate, is only good for body tubes. The decals used for this sim Arrrrrr part of the booty I hauled in from eBay. The scans of which have been submitted to JimZ to the entry in his list, or can be downloaded (from Flickr). Regrettably, the decals I did get were cut apArrrrt (name separated from pistols, separated from the Jolly Roger), and a small amount of damage was found on the name decal. However, they Arrrrrr in otherwise very good condition, and were scanned at 300 DPI, and look far better than what JimZ's site currently has (hopefully to change in the near future). A note about the decals, the pistols and the Jolly Roger flags are white and blue, the name decal is blue, except for the white stripes above and below it, and the Estes logo. The name itself was clear, so whatever color you choose for the rocket is what the name would read as.

Funny thing... I was working on the LJS before I took up the idea of doing the tutorial and sim of the Renegade, and only when the Renegade was finished, I noticed the similarity. I liked the scan of the fins from the Renegade better than the LJS's on JimZ site.

If you find any Errrrrrors, orrrrrr have feedback, please use my new feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct yourrrrrr questions, or comments to it orrrrrr send me a PM. However, please feel free to add Likes to these posts if you want. They arrrrrrre appreciated and give me an idea of what people like. Thanks!
 

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Here we go again... again... again... It's the Estes Echo (1950)



After many false starts, I finally got this one finished. My scans of the instructions, facecard, decals and fins have already been posted to JimZ's site. It took SCIGS30's build thread to get this put back on the front burner... again. Measurements are based on my personal sample.

As the decals on the fins are on one side, and not the other, "Air Fins" were required. These have been applied to a PBT. Delete the PBT for accurate flight performance data.

To clean this thread up a little, I created a feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it. Likes, however, are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like
 

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Due to an error with the nosecone found in the Estes Sizzler (1906) sim with the PNC-50YR nosecone, I've updated it to eliminate an extra shoulder from the nosecone, and add the Nosecone Insert. I also took the opportunity to update the blow molded nosecone's sim with a clearer name. Neither update will affect the flight characteristics much, if at all.


Files can be downloaded in post #59.

Updated the Fireaero (1953) to correct a minor error in the nosecone.



File can be downloaded in post #576

Updated the Centuri MARS Project sim to correct the fin units fin span.


The file can be found in Post #570

Thanks to ZoomieG for catching the errors that were found in these files.

If you find any errors or have feedback please use my new feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it or send me a PM. However, please feel free to add Likes to these posts if you want. They are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like.
 
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Today (Thanksgiving) We have a little rocket to be thankful for... The Estes Micron (0876)



First appearing in the Estes Catalog in 1989, and final appearance in 1991, this sim was done with a physical sample I have. I've provided my scans to JimZ for his site, and uploaded them to flickr. There are no need to delete anything for flight performance as there are no tricks done with this sim (other than the PBT for the engine hook). WYSIWYG.

If you find any errors or have feedback please use my new feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it or send me a PM. However, please feel free to add Likes to these posts if you want. They are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like.
 

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Well, it's about time I wrapped this one up... Today I've added the Estes Der Big Red Max Pro Series II (9721)'s sim.



The file can be found in post #203.
[EDIT] If you were one of the first 5 people to download the Der Big Red Max Pro Series II's file, you might want to download it again. I somehow managed to miss the fin tab in the sim. It's been updated to include the fin tabs now.[/EDIT]

If you like these, or any other sims, please feel free to drop them a "Like". Other questions or feedback should be posted in the *NEW* feedback thread.
 
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Let's shed some light on this old design from Centuri. It's the Centuri Design Contest #2 Laser-244, inspired by P. B. Zimmerman, Age 16, Wash., D.C., and was the Second place winner in Centuri's Design Contest.



"To obtain the appearance of an actual LASER optical pumping thrust unit, the ejection gasses are passed through the smallest #5 series tube. Lengthwise support and rigidity are provided by the clear plastic #10 tube. In addition, the use of PRO/Stripe and/or patterns cut from metal plated mylar sheets gives the LASER 244 quite an unusual appearance as it seems parts are floating in space or perhaps invisibly supported by magnetic force fields (see alternate paint schemes*). Using PRO/STRIPE on the clear plastic tube section also has the additional feature that the basic design patterns can easily be completely changed over from week-to-week between launch sessions."

The paint scheme used here was chosen by JimZ. The alternate paint schemes are hidden in the PBT for the cooling fins. The instructions can be found on his site. I should note that the nosecone is based on a rough guess on the BC-107's shape as derived from the image in the instructions and the part description in Centuri catalogs.

If you find any errors or have feedback please use my new feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it or send me a PM. However, please feel free to add Likes to these posts if you want. They are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like.
 

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Today, we go back in time... To a Retro-Repo of Carl McLawthorne's seventh Semroc design... It's the updated Semroc Hydra VII (KV-29)




This isn't currently capable of giving accurate flight info as (per a quote from neil_w) "the structure of this model violates about 1000 assumptions that OR uses for simming. It’s probably not reasonable to expect anything resembling accurate sim results here."

If you find any errors or have feedback please use my new feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it or send me a PM. However, please feel free to add Likes to these posts if you want. They are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like.
 

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Well.. It's time to drop this little gem (Finally! (I started it over 5 years ago))... The Estes Sky Raider (1290)...





The decals on this kit were the real bugaboo... JimZ's site had what looked to be a scan of a black and white photocopy and didn't include a ruler (It has since been updated). So I couldn't be sure about the decals. The 1977 catalog photos showed that the upper band decal was red (see photo below) , but the photos of original kit decals (that I've seen) clearly show that it shipped with black decals. Since there's clear evidence of at least one kit that had a red band, I've opted to create a sim that reflects that. Other than the color of the decal, there are no other differences between the sims. There are no placement instructions in the instructions, so the locations are up to the end user. I placed the forward decal 1/4" below the painted black section, and the lower band exactly at the edge of the red/white paint joint.

If you're looking to clone this kit, I'd start with the Estes Cherokee-E (2408) as a foundation. It has nearly everything you need except for a period accurate engine hook, a 9" body tube segment (it has a 6" segment), the balsa, decals, and the nose plug/eye bolt needed for the payload section.

The only error messages with this sim are related to the engine hook... Hopefully a patch to create a freeform mass object will fix that in the future.

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Thanks to kjohnson, 5x7, SCIGS30, and JimZ for their contributions in making this sim possible.


If you find any errors, or have feedback, please use my new feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it or send me a PM. However, please feel free to add Likes to these posts if you want. They are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like. Thanks!
 

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This one has lived up to its name.. It was a bear to get ahold of (and to sim)... The Estes Challenger-II (1330)(ca. 1980-1985)



Using a plastic fin unit, it's a rather simple build, but was hard to simulate. With the new version of OR, I've been able to make the body tube a single length of tube, instead of the old way which had two tubes, one for the exposed section and the other for the part hidden under the fin unit. The Challenger-II uses a BT-56 body tube, and was designed as a "D" powered carrier for the AstroCam 110. The kit appeared in 1980, and was out of the catalog in 1985... It's unlikely that Estes will reissue this kit as they have apparently discontinued the BT-56 body tube.

Due to the difficulty in simulating that launch lug, I'm not sure of the flight characteristics of the sim. Also, Estes discontinued the D11-9 rather quickly, and that motor is not easily found in OR. The nosecone which is often seen online as a canary yellow is actually more of a goldenrod color of yellow. When I get a chance I'll take a daylight photo of my actual sample.

Here's the sim with a stock AstroCam 110



Again, this should have been simmed with a D11-9, which would give it the chance to arc over at apogee and give you a shot facing down.

I also simmed it with a look back modded AstroCam 110



This version could take a photo at the moment of staging (or presumably, from a higher altitude while still climbing (hopefully)). The modification to the AstroCam is based on information from the Winter 1993 issue of the Estes Educator News magazine. The Estes Longshot (2128) could provide both black fin cans for the two stages, as well as the black nosecone.

If you find any errors, or have feedback, please use my new feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it or send me a PM. However, please feel free to add Likes to these posts if you want. They are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like. Thanks!
 

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Houston... This is *GO* for Launch!!! It's the Estes Eagle SCRV (1766)



This small rocket was one, that for many years, visitors to NASA's Space Camp could purchase from the gift shop. Space campers apparently built them by the thousands, and, apparently, used them to decorate the trees around the launch field for many, many, years. ;) Sadly it's OOP.

The sim uses pods to simulate the inner conic sections of the payload and nosecone section, and get several error messages from them. Livery is based on the painting guide in the instructions. However, since I can't put decals on clear parts and keep them clear (for the moment) Thanks to Neil, I've been able to add the "EAGLE" decal on the payload section, but I decided to move the US flag back to between the fins. The kit's self stick decals have been hidden in a cleaned 300DPI format within the file. That said, despite my using the average color of the red and blue colors, they are considerably darker than the scans found on JimZ's site, and in photos I've seen of the actual kit".


To me, it's a very attractive rocket, and I have plans and parts (including the correct length of clear tube) to upscale it using an Estes Olympus.


Thanks to John Boren, Wonderboy, Bill Cooke, Antares JS, JimZ, Dick Wolbers, neil_w... And Special Thanks to Bobby Hammill for the physical sample!

If you find any errors, or have feedback, please use my new feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it or send me a PM. However, please feel free to add Likes to these posts if you want. They are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like. Thanks!
 

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MAJOR UPDATE: All previous sims of the various versions and variants of the Red Max are KAPUT!!!
With the new version of OpenRocket allowing fins to have separate appearances on the sides of the fins now, the need for PBTS for air fins has been eliminated*. No more needing to delete the PBTs for flight info. However, until OR can accommodate freeform mass objects (such as engine hooks) there is still a need for PBTs to allow for proper positioning. You should delete the old files and download the updated files that are at the bottom of post #203.




*The MDRM still has a PBT for the plywood cores of the fins, and this should be deleted for flightworthy data.

Again, the files are found in post #203.

If you find any errors, or have feedback, please use my new feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it or send me a PM. However, please feel free to add Likes to these posts if you want. They are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like. Thanks!
 
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I've updated *ALL* versions of the Estes Cherokee-E's sims to OR 22.02.



The new version gives much more accurate flight performance data (in some cases >600') w/o the need to delete air fins. I strongly recommend deleting the previous versions and downloading the new files found in post #24.

If you find any errors, or have feedback, please use my new feedback thread. Please follow the link to and direct your questions, or comments to it or send me a PM. However, please feel free to add Likes to these posts if you want. They are appreciated and give me an idea of what people like. Thanks!
 
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