Same name, same company, two different rockets

[kuririn]

Estes has designed so many rockets over the decades, it's not surprising that they've had to use the same name for two different models.
Estes Odyssey:
#7235


#1289



Estes Puma:
#7256


#1896



Estes Firecat:

#1378


#821 (EAC):


I'm sure there are others.
Any come to mind?

 

[HHaase]

There's been, what, 4 sizzlers at this point?
At least 3.

Two different Magician's that I know of.

I'd love to get a #1943 Magician and #1906 Sizzler again.

-Hans

 

[neil_w]

Solar Warrior:


Solar Warrior:

 

[Flyfalcons]

Estes Hornet #3037



Estes Hornet #2030

 

[KC3KNM]

There's been, what, 4 sizzlers at this point?
At least 3.

Two different Magician's that I know of.

I'd love to get a #1943 Magician and #1906 Sizzler again.

-Hans

I think I still have a #1943 Magician in my parent’s attic. That was definitely one of my favorite rockets.

 

[CalebJ]

The Zinger has been through at least two iterations.
2433:

1917:

 

[ebruce1361]

Don't forget the X-Ray. The black and pink version was the first rocket I ever built (but not my first flown, circa 1999). I have not had the fortune to get my hands on one of the classic ones.

 

[K'Tesh]

How many versions of the Patriot are out there? at least 5, but I suspect there's more.
Citation Patriot (MK-3)
Patriot (0652)
Citation Patriot (0652)
Patriot (1825)
Patriot Missile M-104 (2056)
Pro Series Patriot Missile (2066)

 

[BEC]

There have been at least two uses of "Farside" - the one we all think of - three stages - and an RTF in a relatively recent launch set (Solar Scouts). There is a "Sprite" up on eBay right now that is NOT what I thought of when I saw the name. It looks more like a Gnome with the fin can on backwards.

 

[mo2872]

Hasn't the S.W.A.T. been released as the same rocket, different name?? Opposite of the thread, I know.........

 

[Fishhead]

Hasn't the S.W.A.T. been released as the same rocket, different name?? Opposite of the thread, I know.........

Satellite Interceptor, Crossbow SST and Centuri Spacemaster.

 

[RoyAtl]

Basic explanation is that they've got to keep names regularly in use for trademark purposes, or so I've been told (that is why you saw the Estes Centuri a few years ago!).

 

[GlenP]

Different company brand name, same name, different rockets, (although maybe same Parent company)

Screaming Eagle

https://jonrocket.com/store/products/screaming-eagle-model-rocket
https://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/nostalgia/73cen70g.html

 

[kuririn]

Different company brand name, same name, different rockets, (although maybe same Parent company)

Screaming Eagle

Here's another one:

#4001

 

[MALBAR 70]

I believe Estes has used the Cobra name for several rockets and a line of motors.

 

[modeltrains]

Interesting thread. I've not been deep enough in to rockets long enough to have seen this on my own.

 

[neil_w]

Here's another one:
View attachment 438866
#4001

I had that one! That might have been the last time I touched a vacuform part.

 

[kuririn]

While mulling this over, and after visiting JimZ's and YORP, this is what I came up with:

Semroc Swift KV-24/KV-27

Estes:
Eclipse 0846/DOM 1/78
Scorpion 1333/7232
Ranger K-6 (1206)/1955
Explorer 1974/7264
Twister 87162/3033
Cobra K-10/7228
Nimbus DOM#81/1971
Omega DOM#63/K-52 (1252)
Star Blazer K-31/TK-31
Vagabond 1423/3217
Marauder 1922/1110
Raven DOM#23/2029
Bandit K-48/1231/2060
Prowler 2156/9710

 

[Apogee Components]

I imagine this is for search optimization. If someone wants an old Estes rocket (as we know they often do), and searches by name, I'm sure Estes wants to pop up first with a purchasable option.

Just speculation and, regardless of if it is their intention or not, I'm impressed by the strategy.

 

[Back_at_it]

Sizzler.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...hUKEwjT_fbPjI_tAhUKXq0KHfXqBGYQMygAegUIARCSAQ
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...hUKEwjT_fbPjI_tAhUKXq0KHfXqBGYQMygBegUIARCUAQ
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...hUKEwjT_fbPjI_tAhUKXq0KHfXqBGYQMygIegUIARCkAQ

 

[kuririn]

From a marketing viewpoint a glitzy face card and cool name would be more likely to add to sales revenue.
Of course, first of all the design must be appealing.
Why recycle names and add to the confusion when there are monikers that haven't been used?
Just need to be more creative.
I still haven't seen an Estes Scorcher, Fireball, or Hypersonic yet.

 

[neil_w]

I do think it just comes down to "it's hard to think up new names".

 

[kuririn]

That's what marketing firms are for.

 

[Bat-mite]

I do think it just comes down to "it's hard to think up new names".

Also, if you already own trademark on a name that is out of production, why not reuse it and save lawyer fees?

 

[Apogee Components]

From a marketing viewpoint a glitzy face card and cool name would be more likely to add to sales revenue.
Why recycle names and add to the confusion when there are monikers that haven't been used?
Just need to be more creative.
I still haven't seen an Estes Scorcher, Fireball, or Hypersonic yet.

Google traffic is an essential component in online business. If people are searching for these old kits, I'm positive any experienced SEO would try and find a way to take advantage of that. Targeting the right things can add thousands of site visits a day, especially when you have the kind of domain authority that Estes does.
Plus, you can have nice packaging AND name the kit something that is already getting searches.

Again, speculation. It could just come down to ole' fashion laziness.

 

[kuririn]

Also, if you already own trademark on a name that is out of production, why not reuse it and save lawyer fees?

IDK, maybe through the years the insiders have found that the name doesn't really matter as much as the design.
For example I liked the design of the newer Vagabond. But to me Vagabond means tramp.
I still bought it. Probably would have bought it if it was named Dog Barf.

 

[K'Tesh]

I do think it just comes down to "it's hard to think up new names".

Boy do I know about that... I can't tell you how many times I get asked on FB if I'm Jim Parsons... Damn straight I am... What a stupid question.

 

[GlenP]

named Dog Barf.

Or, Barfing Dog - That could be a Goony like the Sky Shriek, but more in the form of a dog, then the dog barf actually comes out at ejection like, well, dog barf!

 

[kuririn]

Or, Barfing Dog - That could be a Goony like the Sky Shriek, but more in the form of a dog, then the dog barf actually comes out at ejection like, well, dog barf!

Ha, that's hilarious!
Wasn't there a Grumpy Dog design way back when?
I'll have to search through my build piles.
I think I bagged the parts.

 

[kuririn]

Boy do I know about that... I can't tell you how many times I get asked on FB if I'm Jim Parsons... Damn straight I am... What a stupid question.

So how's Kaley doing these days?