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My grandmother was a cleaning girl and then a quick promotion to nurse during the last outbreak in 1918. I heard her stories before she passed and I have no illusions this pandemic will be much different. When the pop hits the fan the results will be the same because all of the technology is not going to matter in an overwhelmed care system based on profit. She was tough and that was the only thing that saved her.
 
There is only one thing in this world I fear. Pandemics: No. Nuclear war: No, flying silly mindsimed model rockets: No. The Only thing to fear in this life is: INFLATION! Thank godess for the Federal Reserve!
 
Ez2cDave said:
Mask mania: US government is stockpiling 300 MILLION coronavirus face masks, stores sell out, eBay sees thousand-dollar listings and celebs cover-up - as experts warn paper masks will not offer protection

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...-mask-really-protect-against-coronavirus.html

Dave F.
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That article is bunch of crap. First of all, the army already has 300 million face masks. We stockpiled them during another so called crisis. The paper masks are fine. This is a droplet passed illness and the standard N95/N-95 is fine. You can buy them at Lowes.
 
cwbullet said:
That article is bunch of crap. First of all, the army already has 300 million face masks. We stockpiled them during another so called crisis. The paper masks are fine. This is a droplet passed illness and the standard N95/N-95 is fine. You can buy them at Lowes.
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This is an Aerosol transmission, not droplet. Surface survivability at an estimated nine days. Incubation up to 24 days. R naught of 6? Nothing to sneeze at.
 
cwbullet said:
That article is bunch of crap. First of all, the army already has 300 million face masks. We stockpiled them during another so called crisis. The paper masks are fine. This is a droplet passed illness and the standard N95/N-95 is fine. You can buy them at Lowes.
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I've been hearing lately that there might also be a fecal transfer method. No details but how would that differ in infection rates and the like?
 
Daddyisabar said:
This is an Aerosol transmission, not droplet. Surface survivability at an estimated nine days. Incubation up to 24 days. R naught of 6? Nothing to sneeze at.
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Aerosol is droplet, sort of. It does not swim in oxygen molecules with our some particular or droplets. Aerosol implies that it is in the moisture you pass when you breath. I understand what the articles say but it is essentially the same. It is a smaller particulate. It is not surface survivable for 9 days unless the surface is not exposed to UV light. UV light kills Coronavirus. In fact that is how they sanitize rooms after patient leave to protect the cleaning crews.
 
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heada said:
I've been hearing lately that there might also be a fecal transfer method. No details but how would that differ in infection rates and the like?
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True. How is a mask insufficient to protect against that. You can’t eat fecal particles if you have you mouth covered. I am just giving you crap, but that is conjecture. No confirmed cases.
 
cwbullet said:
True. How is a mask insufficient to protect against that. You can’t eat fecal particles if you have you mouth covered. I am just giving you crap, but that is conjecture. No confirmed cases.
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Yes, a mask would protect against both airborne and fecal transfers and I know it hasn't been proven as a transmission method. I was thinking more along the lines of while in public without a mask, would the two different transfer methods give vastly different infection rates and besides the basic hand washing and protecting your mouth/nose, what precautions should be followed for the different methods? Honestly, I haven't heard of a fecal transfer method for a virus like this before.
 
cwbullet said:
That article is bunch of crap. First of all, the army already has 300 million face masks. We stockpiled them during another so called crisis. The paper masks are fine. This is a droplet passed illness and the standard N95/N-95 is fine. You can buy them at Lowes.
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Chuck,

N95 mask questions:

(1) What is the smallest size particle they protect against and what is the size of the Coronavirus ?

(2) Do N95 masks have an "expiration date" or lose their effectiveness over time ?

(3) Since UV kills Coronavirus, how long is exposure to sunlight required to achieve this? ( I am think about sanitizing the N95 masks, after being "out & about" )

(4) Can the N95 mask be sprayed with a disinfectant after use, or will it harm the mask ?

Thanks,

Dave F.
 
Ez2cDave said:
Chuck,

N95 mask questions:

(1) What is the smallest size particle they protect against and what is the size of the Coronavirus ?

(2) Do N95 masks have an "expiration date" or lose their effectiveness over time ?

(3) Since UV kills Coronavirus, how long is exposure to sunlight required to achieve this? ( I am think about sanitizing the N95 masks, after being "out & about" )

(4) Can the N95 mask be sprayed with a disinfectant after use, or will it harm the mask ?

Thanks,

Dave F.
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1. 0.3 Microns. The N95 is effective at reducing the risk of Coronavirus. Call it ineffective is like saying condoms don’t protect against HIV. HIV infection happen with condom use but they are much less likely. There is nothing that will prevent 100% of Coronavirus in less you transition to life in a bubble. Even then, you gotta come out someday.
2. Not really. They expire, but I would still use them. They is protecting them against moisture.
3. This is a variable answer depending on the degree of UV light. The bottom line is unless you are in a cave, it is not 9 days.
4. Don’t know, it has never been researched to my knowledge. 0.3 microns - same size but they are effective at preventing
 
N95 and P100 respirators are the best for protection, as they have a rubber seal around the face and actually seal against bare skin. The nuisance dust masks (think cloth material masks sold in bubble packs) even if rated N95 do not seal adequately around the edges. If you cant do a negative pressure check with the mask then you have no idea if its sealed correctly. A MSA Advantage 200 half mask respirator with filters has a PF of 10 iirc, PF is a protection factor rating a SCBA has a PF of 10k for reference. A nuisance dust mask like the N95 cloth ones are also a PF of 10 but only if fit tested.
 
In the same area as the N95 masks, you can get a half-face mask with the good rubber seal that uses the P100 filters (pink ones for VOCs). Not quite as cheap as the paper N95 masks with the little rubber seal but they wont sell out like those either. I use a full face version for spraying HVLP lacquer paints.
 
rharshberger said:
In that case get a full face APR with P100 filters PF 50.
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I have the full suit from the old plating shop. If that is no good I am down to shop goggles and glasses. I do have some aviator RayBans from the big eighties, but I would not be caught dead wearing those on Campus these days. Maybe I could claim I was going retroshiek. :)
 
rharshberger said:
N95 and P100 respirators are the best for protection, as they have a rubber seal around the face and actually seal against bare skin. The nuisance dust masks (think cloth material masks sold in bubble packs) even if rated N95 do not seal adequately around the edges. If you cant do a negative pressure check with the mask then you have no idea if its sealed correctly. A MSA Advantage 200 half mask respirator with filters has a PF of 10 iirc, PF is a protection factor rating a SCBA has a PF of 10k for reference. A nuisance dust mask like the N95 cloth ones are also a PF of 10 but only if fit tested.
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N95s are a cloth or paper mask. They are very similar to surgical masks but with no gap on the side.

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For some of us, a respirator mask just won't do it (I fall into the Full Beard category with the length of the Bandholz).
My best bet would be to don a filter bag over my whole head and cinch it around the neck.
Is it just me or do the French Fork and Imperial look like more trouble than they're worth?
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My coworker sent me that exact article when I showed him the Norton facemask! Derailed actual work for a good 15 minutes as others got drawn in by the laughter ("Oh no Bob, you're in real trouble unless you lose the beard/…..")
 
If you've been following the program, I've been gluing paper to my fins on this thread rather than engaging in any serious concern over the issues being discussed.
 
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