Potential Full Fuse X-15 RC Rocket glider 4" kit

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I was able to get the custom cones made with help from Rich Harshberger(wood plug) and Stephen Neill(fiberglass mold and roto casting the 4" cone and meet 3.6-3.8 oz)

I got in two test flights on E-20's yesterday very fast but straight flights, glide was not bad for an X-15:)

42" long, 4" diameter, 20" wingspan, 14 oz airframe with radio. Painted with battery and motor installed will be 16.75-17 oz rtf depending on the motor chosen.

Instructions are done, pre-ordering is closed and invoices are sent! Hopefully video with it painted on Wed.


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what does the kit cost?
It is $150 shipped with cut vinyl decals from stickershock, this is only for expert R/C pilots, the order will go in tonight for parts, this is a one time thing, I won't do another run. If interested pm me asap. This will be the first R/C X-15 rocket glider kit that actually boosts and lands without chute.
 
Maybe I shouldn't buy since I'm not an expert. Thank You!
No problem, this model is heavier than my standard kits and due to the small wings glide time is shorter and faster, boost is quite fast and you need to be able to not get confused with directions. I don't want people to have a bad experience.
 
It is $150 shipped with cut vinyl decals from stickershock, this is only for expert R/C pilots, the order will go in tonight for parts, this is a one time thing, I won't do another run. If interested pm me asap. This will be the first R/C X-15 rocket glider kit that actually boosts and lands without chute.
I'm interested. PM coming.
 
I continue to be amazed at how you get such great glides from big rockets with such relatively minimal wing surface area!
 
I got a chance to fly this on F-30 and F-32 motors today, worked great, just trimmed out 1" of the foam stab ahead of the motor mount a bit to clear the longer motor and allow it to sit against the thrust ring, F-32 was my favorite so far, highest boost and nice flame.

 
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I revisited this 4" based model the other day, since one of my customers did some exerimenting with my 2.6" based kit to move the CG back from 5/8" to 1 3/4" back from the chine/wing junction, I was hoping I could scale it appropriately on this model which balanced at 1/2" back from the junction and get a longer glide with less drag from up trim and potentially reduce weight. The model is relatively proportional to the small one so was hoping I could go back to 2.5" or a little more back.

On my model the nose cone was hand roto cast and a bit heavy but it balanced fine at the original position without lead and the battery and receiver in the nose cone. To move the CG back I had to move the RX and battery to the back of the model, mounted inside the open end of the model on the foam motor support strips with velcro. I got rid of the servo extensions and cut an inch off the nose cone shoulder to reduce weight as well.

This got my ready to fly weight down to 16.1 oz rtf instead of 17.1. I usually fly this on F-24 or E-20 or F-32 motors with ejection removed. The E-6 is too wimpy for 17 oz. However at 16.1 it would be marginal. One of my customers has built a 1/14 scale B-52 R/C aircraft in nasa colors and is planning on dropping and air starting his X-15 kit he got from me. I wanted to test this so he could reduce weight since he will have to carry onboard ignition ckts. Since he is starting horizontal the E-6 will give a nice long burn and plenty of thrust for a 45 degree climb out.

I started at 2.5" back which should have been slightly conservative, and it boosted slow but fine, but when I clicked in up trim it did a nice slow half flat spin, I figured I was tail heavy and no forward airspeed and too much up trim, so I hit the trim off, to pitch the nose down and get air speed and then remembered I had a middle switch position that had half of the up trim set so tried that, it was better but still too easy to over flare with small inputs.

I landed and put back a quarter ounce into the nose and reduced the up trim to about 1/4" instead of 5/8" and flew it again and it was fine. So I'm now at 2" back from the wing/chine intersection at the leading edge.

Interesting to see how it didn't depart but it was not happy at the first balance/up trim setting... I figured if it would fly stable with this low thrust motor and CG it will be fine with the higher thrust motors I normally use.

 
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I landed and put back a quarter ounce into the nose and reduced the up trim to about 1/4" instead of 5/8" and flew it again and it was fine. So I'm now at 2" back from the wing/chine intersection at the leading edge.
You made two changes there. Since the boost didn't look at all "pitchy," the CG may have been just fine, and all you needed was less up trim for glide. Take the added nose weight out, and use even less trim (maybe none at all).
 
Frank, are these still kits you have available?
No only the 2.6" version. The cones were custom made, I needed special boxes to fit the 4" tubing, dimensional shipping rate went up and shipping to get the 4" tubing was high. In the end the 2.6" was a better performing cheaper option.
 
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You made two changes there. Since the boost didn't look at all "pitchy," the CG may have been just fine, and all you needed was less up trim for glide. Take the added nose weight out, and use even less trim (maybe none at all).
You are right, but in my case the F-24 and F-32 I normally use are 8-10 grams heavier so I wanted some margin for that even though they might have burned that off before rail exit I didnt want to risk pitchiness with 3x the boost speed when things happen fast. In any case now my weight and nose are glued in..I'm still down 3/4 ounce so it was useful. On the first flight even with no trim selected it still seemed easy to over flare, maybe a difference in aoa on boost versus glide or just too much throw at reduced stability?
I guess I could have reduced trim to zero and reduced throws a lot or put in expo but I guess I was in "good enough"mode since I had four other maidens to do..
 
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