Ladies and Gentlemen, I'd like to introduce you to Frau Red Max

[JonathanOtt]

Something I'm working on.

It'll be a wrap. Going on a DRM'ish setup.

BT-55
BNC-55 from an Estes Hornet
Actual size DRM fins
24mm MMT

 

[dr wogz]

that is pretty sweet!

(Why isn't "top secret" also in Germenglish?)

 

[Bat-mite]

Toppen Zekretens?

 

[JonathanOtt]

I wonder why Nytrunner said "no" in the "Do you like it" poll?

I'd appreciate the feedback.

 

[Jim Hinton]

I think that's seriously cool. There's been a lot of takes on the Red Max, but that one's pretty unique. Uber hush-hush?

Jim

 

[dr wogz]

some don't care for the connection to "Nazi" - the cross

 

[OC-Patrick]

...should be a gloved hand on the "MITT GRABBEN"?

 

[Curtis Enlow]

some don't care for the connection to "Nazi" - the cross

The use of the Iron Cross (in various) forms pre & post-dated the NAZI era and has more cultural than political significance.

Here it is on two Cold War German F-104's:

A swastika, on the other hand, would be unacceptable. Many scale modelers refuse to use it in spite of historic relevance.

 

[dr wogz]

I agree, but there is a variation.. trumpeted vs. straight..

 

[JonathanOtt]

...should be a gloved hand on the "MITT GRABBEN"?

ooohhhh....I like...

 

[Steve Shannon]

I agree, but there is a variation.. trumpeted vs. straight..

Straight is called the Balkenkreuz and was used by the German Wehrmacht from 1935 to 1945. It wasn’t a Nazi symbol (not like the Hakkenkreuz), but it hasn’t been used since WWII by the German military (that I could find when I researched it last year.)

 

[Tobor]

I dig the twist of the theme. Very original.

Btw, the moment I saw this thread, I had a flashback to the movie Blazing Saddles and the show scene of Lili von Shtüpp (Madeline Kahn)..... Love that movie.

 

[Nytrunner]

I'm just not a fan of der red max. Hello kittyfied or otherwise

 

[JonathanOtt]

I'm just not a fan of der red max. Hello kittyfied or otherwise

Cool, thanks.

 

[dr wogz]

I dig the twist of the theme. Very original.

Btw, the moment I saw this thread, I had a flashback to the movie Blazing Saddles and the show scene of Lili von Shtüpp (Madeline Kahn)..... Love that movie.

"And tell him I said ..OWWWW"

love the movie too!

 

[Jim Hinton]

The 'trumpeted' cross is generally referred to as a Maltese cross. It was the symbol of the Hospitaler Crusaders. The two points at the end of each limb is what separated it from other crosses used by the various fighting orders during the Crusades. The Hospitalers ended up in Malta after being evicted from the Holy Land and Rhodes by the various Saracen factions that they fought over the centuries. They were never removed from Malta however despite some serious efforts to dislodge them. Their culture carried on in Malta, and their insignia took on added significance there.

Jim

 

[Philip Tiberius D.]

I wonder why Nytrunner said "no" in the "Do you like it" poll?

I'd appreciate the feedback.

I like it and would buy it in multiple sizes (thinking LOC 4" version) but I just hate seeing the damn swastika, right up with the confederate flag for me. I would use the newer German insignia. Aaaannnnddddd go...

 

[CalebJ]

I like it and would buy it in multiple sizes (thinking LOC 4" version) but I just hate seeing the damn swastika, right up with the confederate flag for me. I would use the newer German insignia. Aaaannnnddddd go...

Where was the swastika?

 

[Nytrunner]

I like it and would buy it in multiple sizes (thinking LOC 4" version) but I just hate seeing the damn swastika, right up with the confederate flag for me. I would use the newer German insignia. Aaaannnnddddd go...

In defense of the kit designer, that's the BalkenKreuz (sp?) not a swastika. Like the post above stated, it was the german military emblem, not the sign of the Nazi party. They tried to be tasteful, yet evoke the spirit of the Red Baron style.

Woo! I still have the lone No vote!

 

[Philip Tiberius D.]

Technically correct, the balkenkreuz was used initially towards the end of WWI and later by the Luftwaffe & Wehrmacht starting in the mid-1930’s and later by the Kriegsmarine. Raeder & Dönitz were adamant the Navy would be “less political” than the other branches and raise in rank would be based on abilities and not connections. But I digress... For me the bottom line is the symbol was used/promoted/supported by the Nazi’s and have been stationed in W. German & Berlin and working very closely with Germans who abhor the events of the Nazi regime I guess some of it rubbed off on me. I don’t have as strong feelings towards WWI Imperial Germany and I guess partly due to ideological differences of the two regimes. Whew

 

[lakeroadster]

In defense of the kit designer, that's the BalkenKreuz (sp?) not a swastika. Like the post above stated, it was the german military emblem, not the sign of the Nazi party. They tried to be tasteful, yet evoke the spirit of the Red Baron style.

Woo! I still have the lone No vote!

Not just a german military emblem...

Southern Cross, Civil War, USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Cross_of_Honor

 

[o1d_dude]

I like it.

Very well done.

As to the HackenKreuz (”hooked cross”) it’s origins well pre-date the Nazi era. It’s a mystic symbol that appears in Native American, Indian (the country) and other Asian artforms.

Unfortunately, Hitler’s fascination with mysticism lead to the adoption of the symbol as the Swastika and poisoned the image for the foreseeable future.

Equally unfortunate, the Nazi colors (red, white, and black) match the colors in my Clan Cunningham tartan and kilt. “Over Fork Over” is our official Clan motto dating back to our guys helping King Malcolm escape by covering him with straw in a wagon.

 

[Philip Tiberius D.]

Not just a german military emblem...

Southern Cross, Civil War, USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Cross_of_Honor

“The Southern Cross of Honor is also used as an emblem or marker on the graves of Confederate veterans who served honorably.” Not sure what “honorably” entails since they were engaged in secession from the Union, I guess if you’re the victor you have some grace.

 

[Philip Tiberius D.]

In full disclosure I had family members in Belfast who did not very nice things to the British. I was reminded of my family names’ activities by a British Officer while standing next to my Commander. He took a dim view of my loyalty being questioned. Pretty interesting stuff for a PO3 to watch sparks fly between two Officers.

 

[Mugs914]

Frau oder Fraulein?

 

[Funkworks]

I voted "If no, why not?" because I don't know who Max is, why he's red, and why is he referred to with a definite article. I know there's a fan base though, so I understand why a mod can be interesting.

But personally, to add German flavour to my collection, I'll have a dozen V-2's instead. Or maybe a rocket that looks like a German beer bottle. Yes, that would be a lot of of fun, and I'd call it the Rocketoberfest. And the motor exhaust would smell like sausages.

 

[John Kemker]

I voted "If no, why not?" because I don't know who Max is, why he's red, and why is he referred to with a definite article. I know there's a fan base though, so I understand why a mod can be interesting.

But personally, to add German flavour to my collection, I'll have a dozen V-2's instead. Or maybe a rocket that looks like a German beer bottle. Yes, that would be a lot of of fun, and I'd call it the Rocketoberfest. And the motor exhaust would smell like sausages.

Aber welche Würste?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sausages#Germany

 

[o1d_dude]

Aber welche Würste?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sausages#Germany

Bremer Knackwurst fur mich.

 

[PatD]

Bremer Knackwurst fur mich.

Nuremburger bratwurst. Die kleinen, drei zu einem brotchen mit Senf. Das hat gut geschmeckt.

 

[o1d_dude]

Nuremburger bratwurst. Die kleinen, drei zu einem brotchen mit Senf. Das hat gut geschmeckt.

Ich habe drei Jahren in Bremerhaven verbracht. Bremer Knackwurst!