New Park Flyer Series!!!

[Q-Aero]

A JLCR would fit inside of these. Yes?

Yes it fit, I fold it with half of the chute tread inside the chute, no space to wrap it in a nomex, but you can make a ball with the nomex and put it between the chute and the motor ejection

Here with a Legacy tube and the Legacy chute , you can see how much think and strong is a 1,6" LOC tube

 

[LOC]

You sir... will hopefully enjoy the next round of release aimed at the 2.56" line... and the Magg is on the list!! =)

 

[LOC]

I'm still trying to break one. I have a G-138 planned for tomorrow and if it survives, and H-238. NOT glassed and on superglue. I just can't seem to get it to fold.... yet... Everything has a limit

So...whos going to be the first to pervert these "park fliers" into "fiberglassed mach-busting monsters"

 

[Buckeye]

I will disagree that the description of park flyer is misleading. If a D or E black powder motor is used the could very easily be park flyers. As soon as a F motor is inserted that is different. These rockets are an excellent entry level rocket for those new to MPR and are an excellent replacement for the now gone PSII builders kits.

Sorry to knitpick, but this sentence is the hook in the announcement, and it is wrong:

"Coming in at 1.62" diameter and sporting a 29mm motor tube, these kits are designed for the ball field, soccer field or any other tight area."

I know, and you know, and flyfalcons knows that a 24mm will be a better choice. "Those new to MPR" probably would not. They read 29mm and think F motor and above.

 

[LOC]

Correct!! And read on further and an MMA1 will get you your 24mm mount if you desire to make it permanent or removable. They fly great on a D-12 to 250' "ish" that to me, is a ball diamond!

Sorry to knitpick, but this sentence is the hook in the announcement, and it is wrong:

"Coming in at 1.62" diameter and sporting a 29mm motor tube, these kits are designed for the ball field, soccer field or any other tight area."

I know, and you know, and flyfalcons knows that a 24mm will be a better choice. "Those new to MPR" probably would not. They read 29mm and think F motor and above.

 

[Flyfalcons]

.....and literally two sentences later, in the same announcement, the 24mm motor mount option is listed.

 

[noffie79]

Are people seriously taking issue with the title of this thread? There's nothing misleading at all. It's a park flyer. Shove a 24 in it and fly it all day at the ball park. I can't do that with my Expediter or my Demon. Lighten up people.

 

[Q-Aero]

For the Hyper , it's supposed to have a payload section, so another option will be to use an Archetype Cable cutter and your favorite altimeter. For the few BP it need, you can take few from an Aerotech reload and it will not change the ejection that much

 

[Q-Aero]

A legacy, 255 feet on a D-21, 30 mph of a 60" rail , look Park Flyer to me

 

[Q-Aero]

Why not a CTI E-75 Vmax , only 400 feet

 

[cerving]

We fly stuff this size at our local "park" all the time (well, at least when they let us... twice a month). If you're flying out of a baseball field, yeah, that might be an issue, but if you have a dozen acres to work with it's all good.

 

[ECayemberg]

Do I need to post a vid of these things to prove they may be flown and recovered in small spaces? D12s and even E9s are great in these...yes with the adapter. C11 was a bit low on the oomph factor but it worked...kinda!

Larger motor punishment up next!

Like a lot of rockets...stick a motor on the low end of the spektrum in a rocket and it will fly to a more modest altitude and recover in a smaller radius. Stick in a bigger motor and you need a larger flying site.

These are heavy duty critters with a lot of versatility. In park setting, D and E engines are practical and fun. If you have more space and are looking to reach for space, utilize the 29mm mount and stick a G or H in there and enjoy the whiplash!

All about preference and the field you're working with. To me, park flyer is a great description!

Eric

 

[Woody's Workshop]

Where can you get the specs on the components on Loc's website?

 

[rharshberger]

Where can you get the specs on the components on Loc's website?

The component specs are on the Components tab, for example the airframes will list ID, OD, and length. AFAIK the parts for specific rockets don't use a system like Estes.

 

[Woody's Workshop]

I was looking for materials, what they are made out of.

 

[rharshberger]

I was looking for materials, what they are made out of.

All Loc airframes are cardboard, fins are plywood, and the nose cones are plastic, no FG anywhere in the current line-up which makes great bang for the buck. Most of what I fly is Loc components sometimes with or without a FG wrap.

 

[Woody's Workshop]

Thank You Kindly Rich.

 

[DavidMcCann]

Well, you can fly anything with less than 125g of propellant as class one.... so an aerotech H250G, or a Loki H160.... So really the original Magg is a great park flier

While I agree the smaller ones can convert and fly in a park..... When I hear "park flier" I'm thinking 2.56" or 3" kit to around 1200' or less on any of the F20/F23/F27/F42 economax motors. Onyx is a great park flier

 

[Buckeye]

While I agree the smaller ones can convert and fly in a park..... When I hear "park flier" I'm thinking 2.56" or 3" kit to around 1200' or less on any of the F20/F23/F27/F42 economax motors. Onyx is a great park flier

Exactly right, David.

 

[Buckeye]

Despite bashing me, everybody still agrees with me. Nobody has yet to say they plan to launch these things on a 29mm G80 at a ball field, as the lead-in may suggest. All I am seeing is this:

"But wait, but wait, you can use a 24mm adapter and fly a C11 to 27' in a schoolyard! See, see, LOC is correct! So, lighten up, Buckeye, you idiot."

Well, if that is the preferred approach for a "Park Flyer", let me offer, in my humble opinion, a twist on the sales pitch so not to confuse the "new to MPR" crowd:

They Are HERE!!!! We are excited to announce the release of our new "Park Flyer" series. Coming in at 1.62" diameter, these kits are designed for the ball field, soccer field or any other tight area when partnered with a 24mm motor mount adapter and low impulse D-E motors. When flying on bigger fields, you can easily remove the 24mm adapter and "Get Up There" to killer altitudes with 29mm F and G motors. These kits are super versatile!

Sorry for the cheesy Van Milligan-like spiel, but it is more clear. I am not a marketer, nor do I play one on TV, but words mean things.

 

[Flyfalcons]

I suppose you can think that, but the reality is any rocket that can be flown legally with a good chance of recovery in a park, is a park flyer.

 

[rstaff3]

Well, you can fly anything with less than 125g of propellant as class one.... so an aerotech H250G, or a Loki H160.... So really the original Magg is a great park flier

While I agree the smaller ones can convert and fly in a park..... When I hear "park flier" I'm thinking 2.56" or 3" kit to around 1200' or less on any of the F20/F23/F27/F42 economax motors. Onyx is a great park flier

Well, I wish I had access to a park that could legally support HPR and flights to 1200'. Doesn't exist around me.

 

[Buckeye]

I suppose you can think that, but the reality is any rocket that can be flown legally with a good chance of recovery in a park, is a park flyer.

Hehe, this is a fun thread! Now we are gonna use tortured definitions of "park." City Park, County Park, Yellowstone National Park, Industrial Park, Fenway Park........

Obviously, "park" is relative. Some of you are blessed with bigger parks than the rest of us. Ball field and soccer field, as mentioned in the ad, are more uniform in size and expectations.

 

[EXPjawa]

I think that it depends on how you're defining "park". Ball park? County park? National park? I hear that Yellowstone has a lot of land area... Obviously, that's being facetious but it underscores the point. With that in mind, if the OP isn't misleading, its at least potentially confusing. Yes, a bunch of lines down, there's the mention of smaller motors and adapters - which is great - but the first line is what sells people. So, I'm with Buckeye on this one. Frankly, anything opening its chute over a few hundred feet has the potential to drift out of a ball park on anything but a calm day. So even some higher-flying Estes kits ought to not be considered "park flyers" if that's the definition. The first 24mm, D-engined kit I launched as a kid was never found because it left the confines of the "park". When it comes down to it, if you're marketing to novices or people just transitioning up with little experience yet, the verbiage ought to be clear. Words mean something...

 

[grouch]

This is a dumb as it gets. LOC is trying to bring new products to a market and people are getting hung up on the sales pitch. I personally plan to fly my IQSY on a stead diet of G37's and don't plan to do it in a small park. New and exciting rockets guys, nothing to get upset at.

 

[DavidMcCann]

I suppose you can think that, but the reality is any rocket that can be flown legally with a good chance of recovery in a park, is a park flyer.

Hehe, this is a fun thread! Now we are gonna use tortured definitions of "park." City Park, County Park, Yellowstone National Park, Industrial Park, Fenway Park........

Obviously, "park" is relative. Some of you are blessed with bigger parks than the rest of us. Ball field and soccer field, as mentioned in the ad, are more uniform in size and expectations.

I think that it depends on how you're defining "park". Ball park? County park? National park?

They Are HERE!!!! We are excited to announce the release of our new "Park Flyer" series. Coming in at 1.62" diameter and sporting a 29mm motor tube, these kits are designed for the ball field, soccer field or any other tight area.

So, looking at launching on a baseball diamond or soccer field, These rockets aren't designed for park flying. They're designed to fly high, real high, and are adaptable to fly on smaller motors in a park setting.

I'm not bashing them, but they're being marketed a bit here. They're high altitude kits that can be used as park fliers. Again, not knocking anything, but lets be honest here..... Everyone likes selling these mini kits...they're cheap to make, cheap to buy, and easy to store and transport....but a tube this size with a 29mm hole is a challenge to fly and recover.

 

[rharshberger]

So, looking at launching on a baseball diamond or soccer field, These rockets aren't designed for park flying. They're designed to fly high, real high, and are adaptable to fly on smaller motors in a park setting.

I'm not bashing them, but they're being marketed a bit here. They're high altitude kits that can be used as park fliers. Again, not knocking anything, but lets be honest here..... Everyone likes selling these mini kits...they're cheap to make, cheap to buy, and easy to store and transport....but a tube with size with a 29mm hole is a challenge to fly and recover.

You said the magic word there Dave....MARKETING!

 

[DavidMcCann]

Well, I wish I had access to a park that could legally support HPR and flights to 1200'. Doesn't exist around me.

Well, you'd need 100' safe distance, thats easy enough. 1500' diameter is a bit harder, but not totally impossible. For me, I park fly a magg on G76's as about my max. The 3.3 pound limit really makes it hard to fly up to the 125g propellant limit around here.

 

[tHoagland]

I don't care what you call these, I think that they are great. I know there are lot of rocket kits out there and I haven't studied them all but I think these rockets fill a void that will make transitioning from LPR to MPR easier for many people.

I bought some of these to build with 4/5th graders. I'm excited that for ~$45 (with motor adapter), the students can build a "big" rocket that they can still launch in town. I plan to launch these in the school's soccer field or the local park's soccer complex with D/E motors. This will allow the kids to fly the rocket and get excited about what they just built. If they want to put an F/G in it, I'll invite them and their parents to a club launch in the fall. The added bonus is that there is enough variety in the collection that someone could play for years; all without emptying the wallet.

 

[EXPjawa]

Exactly, Dave. That's what Buckeye's point was originally. I've built rockets this size with 29mm mounts. I almost always fly them on adapted 24s. I get what LOC is trying to do, I just think that the marketing pitch is flawed. And while grouchy people may think this discussion is dumb, it is important because this type of product is what brings new flyers into our hobby and transitions them up. If these non-experienced people take the marketing pitch literally without knowing when they're supposed to use the adapter, they can quickly get discouraged and leave. So, IMHO, this discussion is significant because it has bearing on growing the hobby. Obviously, the probability that it caused a major problem is low; we should still consider on the whole how these things are presented.