Looks almost harmless!Cute!
Whereas the long one may be stable without the vents, the stubby probably won't be. Hopefully the vents blow and don't suck
Looks almost harmless!
Actually, I've done a swing test and it is stable; however I needed nose weight when adding in the motor (I put in the biggest motor planned for now which was a 1/2A3-3T). There's a blizzard on the way, so I'll likely have to put this on the backburner; however I'd like to finish building the longer Mini, additional shrouds and possibly launch the short mini in my backyard on Sunday. I'll update if anything new comes up.
Oh really? I am surprised. Where is the CG? BTW, I have had a couple of rockets that passed a swing test but still were unstable. Some don't like crosswinds, some have their fins occluded by low pressure areas when the rocket goes fast etc etc. Anyway, I would fly it as is and see what happens.
so, based on your initial swing tests, it was unstable with engine but stable with nose weight? that is a very good starting point. To add to that body of knowledge, I would suggest doing some more swing tests where you tape off the fin slots completely, then progressively remove larger portions of the tape, like 0%, 25%, 50%, 75%, 100% open fin slot regions. Maybe try taping over 3 fin slots, does one single fin slot make an impact? Lots of possibilities to find the boundary of stability with respect to the fin slot effectiveness with a good swing test model. Can you make the balanced model go unstable again by covering up the air fin slots? Have fun with it.
Great suggestions! Yes, I was originally thinking of doing the same and I figured the smaller models would make things easier. I also wanted to see the effects of the different size outlets as well as closed. I didn't think about closing off a slot though...I would think that's bad...much like a rocket losing a fin. Thanks!
Speaking of losing a fin, I think you should spend several posts describing your filleting technique for this rocket.
Also, I think tomorrow would be a good day to go outside and do some more swing tests. I'll be looking forward to the updates.
Oh, and the "closing off a slot" test will really reveal what effect the fin slots are actually having. I think that's a really good one to try.
When does the launch happen? Some cars use body vents like the picture for ground force, I'm sure the same concept will work if done properly. This is such a cool idea!
Wow Ken, I've completely missed this thread! very interesting concept! I look forward to seeing what the report is when it goes up and performs PERFECTLY!
Ken, try one of these to cut these rings: I understand you can get them a number of places.[h=1]OLFA 9911 CMP-1 Compass Circle Cutter[/h]Here is the finished short shroud. Notice the fronts of the vanes are air foiled.
You'll also see that I have the shroud bottoms cut (what a pain cutting all those little circles out by hand!). I've also glued on the black bottom stop ring to the motor tube.
ARRGH! I used a blade with the tip already broken off since I would usually have them break when cutting circular patterns in cardboard anyway.
Ken, try one of these to cut these rings: I understand you can get them a number of places.OLFA 9911 CMP-1 Compass Circle Cutter
Thanks for the tip! Looks like it would save my fingers some pain.
#2 "Well De-Finned" launch report:
I decided to launch this first since I thought it would be more stable than the stubby one. Motor used was an A3-4T - I had used this motor to set the motor block and it became glued in place (did I mention I was rushing the build?), so by default it would be the motor for launch!
First I had the usual "first launch of the winter" pains such as recording video 3 times of failed ignition...check everything and determine it's a weak batter, go back into house for a screwdriver and new battery...etc. Then launch and forget to video. Of course.
Once I got everything set...3-2-1 Launch! Rocket went up...that's good...swirly rear...not good. After boost, it nosed down and recovery came out about 30' from the deck and landed somewhat far away. Oh well, might as well test the ice in the center! LOL
Rocket was fine; however it had plowed itself into the snow and the shroud had packed ice inside. Sure glad I used the waterproofing!
I read that: it didn't skywrite but headed in the wrong direction.
Ken, nice work so far. Goddard certainly didn't get it right the first time.
Now you need another set of flights and then can start working on the math. Relation between tube length/dia, etc... Then you build a rocket based on the math to validate your results. Hey more building!
I know why you want finless you really really really hate sanding!
You rock Ken! Got out in the Snow and Ice and launched those cool concept rockets! Guess you need a real "mini" cam to strap on the side of that. Bet it'd be cool!! Regardless of the outcome, it's quite a success!!
Looks almost harmless!
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