Yes, but only if you’re shipping motors and reloads that fall under DOT SP-7887. Ones that are inherently classified as 4.1 do not require being party to the permit. Plus, the permit may not apply to individuals who are not “in commerce”.
A quick look up on the EX number list indicates that all of Estes and all of Aerotech motors are EX classified as 1.4 products. None of them are inherently 4.1 therefore they all must use special permit 7887 and I failed to see how an individual can reclassify something to ship it under a different class without using this permit.
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Same thing, none of the EX numbers I have for any of their products are 4.1. All of them are 1.4 or 1.3. I know you know a good bit about these Regulations, so how can an individual ship assuming they have proper packaging materials and have done the proper training and object without using this special permit and reclassified as something it was not tested as?
That has nothing to do with the hazmat free shipping though. Those require hazmat fee regardless.
True, but this thread was a general discussion about shipping hazmat, limited quantities, and exemption.
Correct though I don't see how you could use the limited quantity status that requres the permit(SP7887) without party status as an indiviual. I'm not sure an invidual is able to get party status as the request for party status is for a company specifically.
It's clear enough in 7887, they don't need to be a party to re-ship motors received that were shipped using the special permit but they need to follow all the special permit rules.
Probably technically true but making that determination conclusively would be next to impossible.
I was going to mention that clause.
I think the key phrase is "no modifications to the inner packages". If someone keeps the product in the original package (blister pack, tube, etc.), they can ship it using the correct outer package, net weight limit, and markings without being a party to SP-7887. No need to use the original outer package. But, understand DOT regs regarding 4.1 class and Limited Quantity provisions, as well as Fedex/UPS/USPS additional restrictions.
I was thinking of the SP10996 clause which is similar but says packages and not inner packages.I was going to mention that clause.
That's not too much of a limitation since many are one reload in an outer package (or two).
That's the inner package. The outer would be the shipping box.
That's not what I'm picturing. I'm thinking about a reload with individual grains not exceeding 1.4kg that are each in their own inner packaging. The total grains for the reload in the outer box doesn't exceed 5.6 kg. Per SP-10996. Something like an L or an M reload. Keep that boxed as is and reship it if plans change and the individual needs to send it someplace. Update the paperwork, though. (I'm not thinking of an Overpack).
If I order an l2200 and an l1420, they're coming in one box. Customer orders 1 L2200, another customer orders 1 L1420, how do I use this permit without party status?
It's clearly ok if the outer box isn't opened and you re-ship the whole package. If an individual orders a single reload sent hazmat according to SP-10966 (from you, for example), they can send it back to you or someone else without opening the box.
