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I assume your talking about the 29/40-120 casing? If so it will work in all Aerotech kits without modification. Not sure if that's still the case with the Rouse-Tech HPR cases. I know for a fact that CTI motors will not really fit unless you do the modifications I did (the 29/40-120 will still work fine with these modifications).

Another thing to consider is adding a short length of Kevlar shock cord from the eyebolt on the motor mount to just above the top of the booster, as it will help protect the elastic cord from being damaged (and if the elastic gets damaged it will be easier to replace).

I used CA for assembling the motor mount, and epoxy for the fins, fin fillets (both internal and external), and the coupler (though I think I used CA for the bulkhead that goes on top of the coupler).

Ya thats the casing I want. Good to know it will work. i dont have anywhere I can buy kevlar cord here & I'm far to impatiant to order & wait for some. So maybe I'll do what I did on my argent(see page 1 of this thread) What do you or anybody else think about using the steel cable? It will be a bit heavier, but it shouldn't break. Ya I was thinking of epoxy for internal fins fillets, does anybady know if it's bad to put epoxy over ca? here is a pic of what I've done sofar.
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I built my AeroTech Arreaux stock per the instructions.

No modifications. CA adhesive throughout.

The rocket has 50-60 flights on it since I built it over ten years ago.

It has been flown at local launches, NSLs and NARAMs.
No issues.

I've flown it on E, F, & G motors including an Estes 29mm F15-6 motor.

Build the kit per the instuctions and you will be fine.

Enjoy! :)
 
Ya thats the casing I want. Good to know it will work. i dont have anywhere I can buy kevlar cord here & I'm far to impatiant to order & wait for some. So maybe I'll do what I did on my argent(see page 1 of this thread) What do you or anybody else think about using the steel cable? It will be a bit heavier, but it shouldn't break. Ya I was thinking of epoxy for internal fins fillets, does anybady know if it's bad to put epoxy over ca? here is a pic of what I've done sofar.
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I've had no issues with epoxy/CA compatibility. You can click on the link in my sig to see my build thread (it was my first build thread, so it's pretty bad - if not terrible:)).

I don't see anything wrong with using a length of steel cable - that is as long as your not an altitude junky. My Arreaux came out a little heavy (I was a little generous with the epoxy...) and I couldn't care less.
 
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I've had no issues with epoxy/CA compatibility. You can click on the link in my sig to see my build thread (it was my first build thread, so it's pretty bad - if not terrible:)).

I don't see anything wrong with using a length of steel cable - that is as long as your not an altitude junky. My Arreaux came out a little heavy (I was a little generous with the epoxy...) and I couldn't care less.

I read your thread, thanks. Naw I'm not all about the height, since I can't see them after 2000' anyway. I added the smallest piece/length of cable I could to try to keep weight down, but still make it possible to change the shock cord if I ever need to. I also got my fins & LL glued on.
I used ca for the fins, but I'm thinking I'll drizzle epoxy down the back side to seal everything in.

I do have a queston for you experienced builders, My nc has a terrible seam on both sides, really it's a little trench, so far I tried sanding it a bit then adding some ca, it didnt fill it so I ask should I just apply more ca then sand the ca flat? How should I make my nc nice & smooth?

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Well I figured out my nose cone prob by using ca & filling in the gap, then sanded it with 600 sandpaper. I couldn't not dry fit it to see her profile. I still got internal fillets to do as well as drill alt holes,glue back cetering ring before of think of paint. I did go and buy another rocket I plan to modify into a mid powered rocket. It's an estes us army patriot M-104 air defence missile, but first I'll get the arreaux finished or at least built.
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Well I got the arreaux built & I started on the paint. I almost did a stock paint job, but decided against it cause......Well I like to do my own thing. I did stick to yellow & black, allthough I used sun yellow, not whatever yellow aerotech used. I'm digging this long sleek nose cone even more now it's black. I'll wait till tomorrow & do another coat of the yellow as well as paint the fins.
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Well I got the arreaux built & I started on the paint. I almost did a stock paint job, but decided against it cause......Well I like to do my own thing. I did stick to yellow & black, allthough I used sun yellow, not whatever yellow aerotech used. I'm digging this long sleek nose cone even more now it's black. I'll wait till tomorrow & do another coat of the yellow as well as paint the fins.
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I like how that paint scheme is looking!
gonna be really sharp!
any thoughts for a first flight?
 
Thanks Nute, or should I call you Nate? Thoughts...many, but really I'll prob get something in the f26 range, I am planning on making my first online order so who knows what I'll end up with. I do know I'm not putting a G in it untill I get a locator or get out to Alberta as I'm afraid of losing it.

My understanding is that I can fly any single use estes or aerotech composite 24mm or 29mm motor in the arreaux or my PSII, is this correct? Thanks, I just want to be clear on what I can use.

I'm busy building away, I'll post more later.
 
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Thanks Nute, or should I call you Nate? Thoughts...many, but really I'll prob get something in the f26 range, I am planning on making my first online order so who knows what I'll end up with. I do know I'm not putting a G in it untill I get a locator or get out to Alberta as I'm afraid of losing it.

Would someone help me understand, are aerotech & estes single use motors the same size? Also are aerotech reloadable casings the same size as the single use estes & aerotech motors? I'm talking about length & diameter.
My understanding is that I can fly any single use estes or aerotech composite 24mm or 29mm motor in the arreaux or my PSII, is this correct? Is there any other brands of motors that are same size as estes 24 or 29mm composite motors? Thanks, I just want to be clear on what I can use.

I'm busy building away, I'll post more later.

Nute or Nate, either works (Nate is legit name)
As for ordering an F26 online, a word of caution: due to shipping regulations, all single use motors containing 62.5 grams or more of propellant (most Estes and Aerotech 29mm Fs and Gs), have to ship Hazmat (those little orange diamonds on the side of trucks) requiring a $27.50 Hazmat fee in addition to the cost of the motor and additional shipping! the main way Aerotech has fought this is by introducing their "Econonjet" motor line (F20W, F23FJ, etc.) which, as you may know, ship in 2 packs for usually around $25-$40 without the Hazmat. however, they are not as powerful, due to the lower propellant mass, but they will suffice for many rockets.

There has been some speculation over Estes PSII composites, but the current thoughts are that they are identical to the Aerotech versions in all ways, and totally cross compatible, and the same size (however, I've only ever flown one AT SU motor, and never seen the Estes versions)
I'm not completely sure about the difference in casing length between the reloadables and SUs, but I would guess that the case length of the 29/40-120 is about equal to that of a G SU, and an identical diameter.

As for what you can fly in the aerroux, I do not have experience with it, but just about any composite motor (24mm[with an adapter], 29mm, SU, reload, estes or Aerotech) that gives you a 5:1 TTW ratio off the pad should work fine, so long as you do not put in the motor block, and, depending on the design of the kit, the motor hook may get in the way of the longer 29mm reloads like the 29/240 or 360 cases. As for Copper Top, I have flown it on a variety of 29mm Aerotech motors from an F26-a G76, and the 24mm F39T, all successfully. You can also fly it on longer motors, like the G75 (assuming, like yours, it's built strong enough) if you leave out the motor block.

The only other motor manufacturer I know of that makes motors in the 24-29mm sizes that aren't composite or hard to come by is Apogee Components medalist: https://www.apogeerockets.com/Rocket_Motors/Apogee_Medalist
apogee components also has many interesting "How To" videos on their website and youtube.

Hope this helps! (these are actually some of the very same questions I had when I got into composites!)

Nate (Nute)
 
Awesome, thanks! I found a website that had most the dimentions for alot of brands of motors. You answered my queston if I can use aerotech motors in copper top(or other PSII kits I may get) If I order motors online I'll be getting the aerotech ones, I did see the econojet & just assumed they were there lower power line, makes sence though with the hazmat fee's. Thats a queston I'll be asking when I order, how much for shipping motors? I'm planning on a bigger order since my buddy is buying his rocket he is going to use for cert. along with all sorts of things to build my own e & f rockets.

Right now I'm making my first scratch build fins from plywood. Again I'll give info when I get finished with my arreaux. Cheers
 
Estes composite motors are actually relabelled Aerotech motors. They are 100% identical. I once ordered an Aerotech SU G40, and you could tell it had once been a Estes PSII motor, as a bit of the Estes label was visible under the black Aerotech one!
 
hmmmm thats interesting, I would have thought they were made by diff companies at diff factories. Good to know I can use either.

Arreaux Update: The paint was not dry after 24hrs(like it says & always has) so when I applied a second yellow coat it cracked, so I had to sand it down, repaint it, sand, now I'm letting it dry for 2 days before I do the final coat of yellow, I may start on painting the fins though today. I'll post some pics later.
 
hmmmm thats interesting, I would have thought they were made by diff companies at diff factories. Good to know I can use either.

Arreaux Update: The paint was not dry after 24hrs(like it says & always has) so when I applied a second yellow coat it cracked, so I had to sand it down, repaint it, sand, now I'm letting it dry for 2 days before I do the final coat of yellow, I may start on painting the fins though today. I'll post some pics later.

I hate it when paint cracks!
that's gotta be the most frustrating thing in the world.
I had one rocket where the first four, yes 4, coats of paint cracked terribly.
Hope it ends up working out for you!
 
wow 4 cracked coats, maybe it was real humid. Here is what mine looks like, I'll sand in again tonight, and hopefully tomorrow night repaint it.
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wow 4 cracked coats, maybe it was real humid. Here is what mine looks like, I'll sand in again tonight, and hopefully tomorrow night repaint it.
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Ouch! I feel for ya... I had similar problems when repainting one of my rockets... it just plain sucks!! What brand of paint are you using? Some brands say to wait a week before repainting.
 
It was krylon, I've only had it happen 1 other time when I recoated it after 12 hrs(it say within 1 hr or after 24hr) I've used this paint on well over a dozen rockets, I'm putting it on not being dry enough.

I just did 31 hrs of snow removal, so I'm beat. I'll paint my 2 rockets tomorrow. I'll also start to post pics & info on my new mid powered convertion rocket. I've changed almost every part....almost a scratch build.(my first one) Sleep time now.
 
All right I got my arreaux painted, & named. Now I just got to let paint dry, put decals on, & clear coat it. Does anyone know if vinal decals will stay on a rocket? I was thinking of going to my local sign shop where I get all my truck & equipment lettering/logo's done. Oh ya, this rocket will now be referred to as The Hornet.
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All right I got my arreaux painted, & named. Now I just got to let paint dry, put decals on, & clear coat it. Does anyone know if vinal decals will stay on a rocket? I was thinking of going to my local sign shop where I get all my truck & equipment lettering/logo's done. Oh ya, this rocket will now be referred to as The Hornet.
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Looks great! Vinyl decals will work great. That's what Mark @ Stickershock makes his out of!
 
Looks great! Vinyl decals will work great. That's what Mark @ Stickershock makes his out of!

Thanks, here is a pic of it with it's decals on, I think I'm going to add "Hornet" in vinyl Do I clear coat the rocket before or after I apply the vinal? I never tried clear coating over vinyl, so not sure if I do it before or after.
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Thanks, here is a pic of it with it's decals on, I think I'm going to add "Hornet" in vinyl Do I clear coat the rocket before or after I apply the vinal? I never tried clear coating over vinyl, so not sure if I do it before or after.
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That's beautiful, really striking!
I am not real familiar with vinyl but I think you can add clear coat on top of it.

Nate
 
Thanks, here is a pic of it with it's decals on, I think I'm going to add "Hornet" in vinyl Do I clear coat the rocket before or after I apply the vinal? I never tried clear coating over vinyl, so not sure if I do it before or after.
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That looks great! I'm pretty sure nute is correct about clear coating the vinyl, but like him, I can't say for sure.
 
Thanks guys, the clear coat over vinyl will be a queston for my sign guy, even though I'm assuming he wont know & I'll be a guinea pig, but I'll let you all know what I find out.

Since my Hornet is basicly done, I'll post pics about my next build, this one is the most customized & closest to a scatch build rocket I've done so far.
It was a estes m-104 patriot with b,c motor. I converted it to a e motor rocket, as well as I changed everything on the rocket other then the body tubes, I mean everything(exept bt)
1st pic is the rocket as it came, 2nd pic is my completed e motor mount upgrade, 3rd pic is the nose cone I'm using, it's longer then the stock nc. It was salvaged from my friends cato'd rocket.
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Then I glued the bt together, I think estes used cut offs for these kits as it uses 3 pieces of bt that they could have used 1 or 2 pieces, then since I had the paint out cause I was painting the hornet, I did the yellow bt in yellow paint.
I then relized I didnt want to use the stock lil shock coard, so I dug into my small parts box & found a thicker(3/8 insted of 1/8") & slightly longer shock cord, I then made the appropriate size tri fold, next is the fins....... but the stock ones look kinda small & since I'm puting e's in it & not c's I figured I need to upgrade the fins. I've never tried to make my own fins, but I am a handyman ;) So I got my 1/8" birch plywood & ...........
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I made my first fins. I used the stock balsa fins & upsized them a little over 1/4" plus they are thicker ply & not balsa. I'm happy with my first non stock/pre cut fins. I think they will help since I'm putting an e in this lil thing.
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Then it was time to glue my fins on, first tacked, then yellow glue fillets.
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Looking good!
Does the new nosecone still retain the scale look?

Nate
 
Thank you Nate, nosecone.... yes & no, it is still close, but not same. For me it is good, it helps move the cg up since it's longer, but a true patriot fan would say :no: thats not right, I thought about adding a few inches of bt to make it closer to scale with my larger fins, but the truth is I dont have more bt & I was not willing to wait, so it is what it is. To me it's still a semi scale model....with a few mods:wink:
 
Now the fins are on & filleted it's time to think paint....then add decals, and poof, like that My Patriot is complete, with E engine upgrade along with all the other mods I did. Now I just got to wait to see how she flies.....I bet it goes higher then the 600' estes claims it does with an C6-5....I'll be using an E12-6 for it's first flight.
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Now the fins are on & filleted it's time to think paint....then add decals, and poof, like that My Patriot is complete, with E engine upgrade along with all the other mods I did. Now I just got to wait to see how she flies.....I bet it goes higher then the 600' estes claims it does with an C6-5....I'll be using an E12-6 for it's first flight.
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Very nice! I built my patriot stock, an it flies great on C6-3 motors. This one however, should be a little more epic...
 
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