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    Does anyone sell CMR-like body tubes?

    Back in the day we had CMR with their white sandable tubes. Anyone offer these nowadays?


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    AFAIK, those tubes disappeared when CMR closed up shop in 1987.

    'Til next time,

    Mike Toelle

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    I was on the Apogee site and their white tubes sound really close to the ones from CMR. Any experience with Apogee's tubes?

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    I still have a few of the original tubes. What size are you looking for?

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    I have used some of Apogee's tubes, and they are more like Estes tube with a plain white outer wrap instead of glassine. Semroc's tubes are similar to Apogee's. As I posted earlier, the CMR style tubes with a slight overlap on the outer layer are no longer available.
    'Til next time,

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    Quote Originally Posted by raohara View Post
    I still have a few of the original tubes. What size are you looking for?
    1/2A-A and C size.

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    I am sick right now; please give me few days to check and see what is left. I'll also see what nose cones and egg capsules are still around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raohara View Post
    I am sick right now; please give me few days to check and see what is left. I'll also see what nose cones and egg capsules are still around.
    Take your time! Get well soon!

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    I also have some 13mm and 18mm tubes and associated nose cones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LW Bercini View Post
    I also have some 13mm and 18mm tubes and associated nose cones.
    I'd be interested. PM me. THANKS!

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    No PMs... :-(

    (Still interested!)
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    I haven't forgotten about you. I am STILL sick. I 've never had pneumonia before and I am not recovering from it very well. And unfortunately I don't have the CMR stuff at my house. I have to go over to my Dad's to find it and I don't have the energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raohara View Post
    I haven't forgotten about you. I am STILL sick.
    Damn! Hang in there! I almost lost my wife to that bug! Relax and recover! Wish you all the best!
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    Pratt Hobbies.

    kj

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    Pratt just sells the old nose cones. :-(
    Brian Robinson | NAR 29980 | ROC #538

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    This is what I have: tubes in 4 sizes, 9 nose cones in approx. 13mm size (not pictured), 7 nose cones in approx 18mm size and one in approx. 24mm size. The tubes have some surface scratches, but are in relatively good shape for having been in storage since 1997.Click image for larger version. 

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    Last edited by LW Bercini; 16th May 2013 at 08:17 PM.
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    I bought 10,000 feet of RB-74 equivalent tubing in the 1980's direct from the source - Stone paper. I'm not sure, but stone is probably now part of Smurfit-Stone. I have no idea if they still make spiral paper tubes.

    I bought them but I would not do so again. The Estes type are superior and come from Euclid Spiral Tube Company. http://www.euclidspiral.com/tubing/e...al-tubing.html

    The Stone tubes would warp (bow) and the Euclid tubes do not bow easily.

    i have zero stone or cmr tubes left. Pratt has the CMR nose cone machine and can make some old CMR sizes and he may even buy tubes from Stone, so check with him. he also makes CMR style nose cones for some Estes sized tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shreadvector View Post
    The Stone tubes would warp (bow) and the Euclid tubes do not bow easily. i have zero stone or cmr tubes left. Pratt has the CMR nose cone machine and can make some old CMR sizes and he may even buy tubes from Stone, so check with him. he also makes CMR style nose cones for some Estes sized tubes.
    I spoke to Pratt and they do not carry the tubes and basically said the same thing as you, the manufacturer is long since gone.

    I liked the tubes because I could sand them with 0000 steel wool and they became super-smooth, without spirals, and a bright glossy white. Plus, they had tubes that would fit inside of each other which made them safer (in my opinion) for launches off of pistons and super-strong Super Rocs (double walled).

    But I did find some tubes I like and many fit inside of each other. I bought some tubes from Totally Tubular and they will have to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shreadvector View Post
    I bought 10,000 feet... i have zero stone or cmr tubes left.
    You went through 10,000 feet of tubing?!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by majordude View Post
    You went through 10,000 feet of tubing?!!!
    Yup. I made my own bulk packs of kits for school programs and club classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shreadvector View Post
    Yup. I made my own bulk packs of kits for school programs and club classes.
    That's amazing! That's a lotta rockets! (Congats!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LW Bercini View Post
    I also have some 13mm and 18mm tubes and associated nose cones.
    Quote Originally Posted by raohara View Post
    I still have a few of the original tubes. What size are you looking for?
    If you guys are still interested in selling, inbox me.
    Brian Robinson | NAR 29980 | ROC #538

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    Fred, what lengths did you buy? I worked for Howard for several years as did Brian as I remember correctly. I myself prefer the Stone tubes Howard had, as properly finished the came out much superior to Euclid tubes, without the spiral gaps to fill. Howard generally bought his tubes in 12" lengths, maybe that is why his weren't warped.
    Last edited by dwinings; 29th November 2013 at 08:22 PM.

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    And Stone Industries does still exist as Precision Product Groups see: http://www.ppgintl.com/capabilities/paper-tubing. Stone tubes are different from Euclid, because they use a wet wrapping technique instead of the dry wrapping Euclid uses, which is why they have a tendency to warp at longer lengths. The tube I really like was their phenolic impregnated tube. Howard only sold this in RB-50 size for piston tubes, however when you sanded them on Howards' fin cutting machine, you could make them super light. 3g for a 9" length. And they ended up glass smooth without using sanding sealer. So if Doug really wanted to sell the old CMR tubes he could. They are still located in College Park, MD.
    Last edited by dwinings; 29th November 2013 at 07:27 PM.

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    Interesting posts!
    I would think the MPC Miniroc kits had the Stone Industries tubing also.
    I made an MPC Taurus last year. The tubing had overlaps and reminded me of the CMR style tubing.
    You could sand the overlaps with 400 grit and there were no spirals!
    The MPC tubing had thicker walls than the CMR tubes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwinings View Post
    The tube I really like was their phenolic impregnated tube.
    Hmmm. I don't recall those tubes at all!

    But like you, I like the CMR tubes because they would sand glass smooth with 0000 steel wool.

    People give Howard a lot of credit, as they should, for being innovative with his egg capsules, machinery, kits... but he was a MASTER at sourcing and procuring stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by majordude View Post
    Hmmm. I don't recall those tubes at all!
    I should have mentioned his launch lugs were impregnated with phenolic too. At first I didn't like them until I discovered you could sand them and they came out super smooth. I wish I had about 50 of those now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwinings View Post
    I should have mentioned his launch lugs were impregnated with phenolic too. At first I didn't like them until I discovered you could sand them and they came out super smooth. I wish I had about 50 of those now.
    I had that little tower you kinda liked that I made in shop class so I never used his lugs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by majordude View Post
    I had that little tower you kinda liked that I made in shop class so I never used his lugs!
    Well I use my tower for competition, but for sports models, his LL were the best/

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    I bought them 36 inches long and they were "mill cut" (which I did not understand at the time I ordered, but that is not a perfect cut on the ends, but it is pretty good).

    The tubes were straight and remained straight if you stored them on their ends in a box where they reamained upright (full box). If you rested the box on its side, the tubes could sag in the middle and develop a bow.

    The MPC tubes did look a lot like the Stone tubes.

    The "stonized" tube was impregnated with a resin, but it was like stage couplers. Yes, there was also the phenolic impreganted paper as well.

    I only bought the one size tube from them in the one giant order. After that, everything I ordered was from Euclid. I found the Euclid tubes superior and while I did use the Finishing Machine to sand the CMR tubes to a perfect finish for competition models, I found it a time consuming annoyance. The overlapping seams were a pain in my opinion. The Euclid but joints are not a big deal to me and can befilled in easily if you are a prefectionist. This is much faster than the sanding down method for the CMR/Stone tubes.

    Quote Originally Posted by dwinings View Post
    Fred, what lengths did you buy? I worked for Howard for several years as did Brian as I remember correctly. I myself prefer the Stone tubes Howard had, as properly finished the came out much superior to Euclid tubes, without the spiral gaps to fill. Howard generally bought his tubes in 12" lengths, maybe that is why his weren't warped.


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