The gaps shouldn't be an issue. Somewhere I've seen a plastic hub cap used. Here? On the archive? On rocketreviews.com?
The gaps shouldn't be an issue. Somewhere I've seen a plastic hub cap used. Here? On the archive? On rocketreviews.com?
I completely support Art on this issue. The rest of you are all behaving like spoiled brats. Suck it up and stop pouting or I'll send you to bed without your supper. Don't give me that look.
One interesting rocket I saw awhile back on another forum consisted of a plastic fan blade unit. That's it, nothing else. A motor mount was inserted into the hub, and a launch lug was attached to the side of the hub. The author of the post stated that the fan blade rocket was stable in flight, spinning furiously on the way up, and tumbling/spinning on the way back down. I'm not sure if it would qualify as a saucer, a monocopter or simply an odd-roc. Perhaps all three.
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I agree that the plastic hubcap should work well. I wonder if more spokes like that actually provides more aerobraking than a traditional saucer by causing more turbulance in the airflow?
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I don't think there would be greater turbulance overall. While i think it could definitely be stable, there isn't nearly as much to reroute the airflow as there is in a traditional saucer. Whereas 100% (minus the LL hole) of the air of a traditional saucer is being rerouted, some/much of the air of a hubcap could go through the holes. Now this doesn't take into account that saucers are almost always at a diagonal of 30 degrees or so, and a hubcap is flat.
Also, about Art, whether you think he deserves to be angry about this or not, he has spent a lot of time testing his rockets. I would not have been able to figure out my level 2's appx CP if he hadn't explained his Cd and CP for his saucers.
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Here's a pic of my level 2 cert flight
Also why you should never use blackjack on a suacer...so dirty.
Credit to Bryce Chanes for the pic![]()
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sweet, glad the plans were able to help another. It's such a sweet and simple design. Art Applewhite said it's pretty heavy for aerobraking if you're using a motor thats longer than the sauceer. So you'll either want to fly it in a grassy field, or tape a parachute to the top![]()
2011 motor usage: 3696 Ns; 44.3% L
2012 motor usage: 36186 Ns; 80% O
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Level 1: 06/10/11 Level 2: 10/08/11
Rockets: Flown 2x STOP; Level Three Build 11.5" Squat
Here is a flying saucer a few guy's and I made for MWP... We flew it on a 54mm k sparky..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0rbV...7&feature=plcp
It was made of 2 saucer sleds
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Put some paper and stuff over the chute so the tape isn't directly touching the chute. Then mount the chute to somewhere. use nomex and such to limit blast to the chute and hopefully it should work.
I saw it done on a spool rocket on Rocket Challenge back in 2003?. Other than that, i have no knowledge of it working hehe
And Jeff, a K513 Black Max. Would rather have used a regular blackjack, but Gary said they don't make em over 38mm due to thrust problems![]()
2011 motor usage: 3696 Ns; 44.3% L
2012 motor usage: 36186 Ns; 80% O
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I have two of Art's priority Stealth rockets, the latter of which was built with very nice epoxy fillets for my first time attempting to do so. The first flew on a LMS F23FJ motor and it went well, and faster than I expected. THe second (better one) has flown once on a CTI G57C motor, and this was much faster and higher. I am tempted to build a third, just for the sake of doing so...and sorry, no pics![]()
My rocket Vapor lifting off on an AT J350 back in August 2001. Rocket weighs about 4lbs empty and only gets to about 600' in altitude. It's a crowd favorite!![]()
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