7.62 Posts per Day?

[chadrog]

That's why I stopped posting quite so much......ironically, that's also why I stopped spending so much money at Wildman's.

My paycheck broken down:

46% To my girlfriend
44% To Tim Lehr
10% Other (Food, Gas, etc.)

Already paying alimony Manny?!?

[DM1975]

Nope, haven't discovered girls, and don't plan on it in the next couple of years.

I think he means Scrap Daddy, not you.

And, discover girls. It's truly worth your time...

[DRAGON64]

Nope, haven't discovered girls, and don't plan on it in the next couple of years.

Sorry young man, you have no control over this... that control must be learned. In Due Time.

[chadrog]

Sorry young man, you have no control over this... that control must be learned. In Due Time.

...And resistance is futile.

[SMR]

you have made an impact on the community. One that is not bad, but enthusiastic. We are all here to help, and everyone takes a jab or two once in a while, just look at the hell that troj catches on here for crashing all his level 3 rockets and stuff like that. You will learn that the rocketry community is more of an extended family.

Absolutely. Nothing wrong with enthusiasm. Young people are the future of our hobby (and everything else), and having a couple myself, they do use "social media" differently than expected. Part of being in the "immediate gratification" generation. And sometimes the tone or context is lost in text. (And we old people are often seen by them as intolerant.)

But, that being said, whenever I need a good read, I drop by either of the two threads brought to us by Advanced Aeron. Who typed all in CAPS.

http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthr...ADE-EXPERIMENT
http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthr...E-EXPERIMENT-2

In a nutshell... "I'm gonna build something really big, fun, and dangerous. I have a team of experts. NAR and Tripoli suck. Any suggestions?" And with only 43 posts (0.6 per day).

So, BB, we ARE family here. Even Manny, whom we all love like a son.

[DM1975]

And you say no one is really hating on me?

I do believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the overall tone here seems to be a good one.

Also maybe some things can be taken as hints...

[SMR]

That's why I stopped posting quite so much......ironically, that's also why I stopped spending so much money at Wildman's.

My paycheck broken down:

46% To my girlfriend
44% To Tim Lehr
10% Other (Food, Gas, etc.)

That ratio will stay the same throughout your life.

[jadebox]

And I always use proper grammer and good spelling and punctuation on here.

:-)

-- Roger

[mannyskid]

And, discover girls. It's truly worth your time...

Oh so true, they may take all of your money and time, but they're really a blessing in disguise.

[mannyskid]

That ratio will stay the same throughout your life.

And I've already come to terms with that

[DM1975]

On the younger generation using social media different, I think we need to learn that it is an evolution of use and not a misuse of assets. I would have given anything to have had friends to bs with about rockets when I was a kid, but no one around me really cared about them so the younger generation has the advantage of these forums to bs about stuff and thus learn.

I think we should embrace this instead of be annoyed about it. If you have kids you know how much attention you have to give to a subject of interest, even if it is border line driving you nuts. Let's try to embrace this fellow rocketeer and help mentor him positively.

[RadManCF]

Oh so true, they may take all of your money and time, but they're really a blessing in disguise.

Unless they're using you to make their freinds jealous. And effectively disguise the fact.

[ClayD]

Oh so true, they may take all of your money and time, but they're really a blessing in disguise.

Thats why you get a sugar momma......

P.S. dont ever let her see you compare her to rockets/or Tim... then it will be 80/20

[SMR]

Unless they're using you to make their freinds jealous. And effectively disguise the fact.

[blackbrandt]

And in case you all are wondering, a lot of the 7.62 posts per day (down to 7.61) are from Forum Games: Word Association. I only have approximately 6.1 post per day when you exclude those.

[GaryT]

B:
My bark is Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than my bite, I don't hate you or anyone else, But like everyone has said just drop it down a notch, Fly HP single deploy for a while, Then get into DD in a 1 stage bird, After mastering that then look into 2 stage.

Obviously you don't have allot of experience with HP but thats OK, We were all that way at one point, BUT Would you say a 2 stage rocket with altimeters, Timers and fiberglassing is really the ideal rocket to start with? IMO I'd say no.

Naturally you can do whatever you like, But by taking baby steps and learning along the way you'll be a better well rounded rocketeer in the long run, I can also guarantee more people will be willing to help as well.

[blackbrandt]

In case you're wondering, my two-stage rocket can fly single or dual deploy, 1 or 2 stage. It is stable in all configurations. The timer and the altimeter are the same thing (I am using a Raven3). I am constantly asking a L3 flyer for advice. And hell, no, my first HP flight won't be a 2-stage.

B:
My bark is Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than my bite, I don't hate you or anyone else, But like everyone has said just drop it down a notch, Fly HP single deploy for a while, Then get into DD in a 1 stage bird, After mastering that then look into 2 stage.

Obviously you don't have allot of experience with HP but thats OK, We were all that way at one point, BUT Would you say a 2 stage rocket with altimeters, Timers and fiberglassing is really the ideal rocket to start with? IMO I'd say no.

Naturally you can do whatever you like, But by taking baby steps and learning along the way you'll be a better well rounded rocketeer in the long run, I can also guarantee more people will be willing to help as well.

[RadManCF]

On the younger generation using social media different, I think we need to learn that it is an evolution of use and not a misuse of assets. I would have given anything to have had friends to bs with about rockets when I was a kid, but no one around me really cared about them so the younger generation has the advantage of these forums to bs about stuff and thus learn.

I think we should embrace this instead of be annoyed about it. If you have kids you know how much attention you have to give to a subject of interest, even if it is border line driving you nuts. Let's try to embrace this fellow rocketeer and help mentor him positively.

So, when you talk about the younger generation's use of social media differing from that of the older generation, and frame it as an evolution of use rather than a misuse of assets, are you saying that we should answer all their questions, rather than tell them to go read chapter such and such from the Handbook? I strongly feel that having a newcomer to the hobby go read the Handbook would be much more productive than for us to try to summarize its contents in a few forum posts.

[troj]

bb: The best advice I can give (and there are adults who need it, too) is this...

If you have no experience on a topic, then read the discussion about it and ask questions. Don't repost what you read somewhere else as if it's coming from you. If you think you found a good answer that hasn't been offered, then summarize it and post a link to the original.

Also, remember, emotion doesn't come through well online. GaryT truly is, to quote Douglas Adams, Mostly Harmless. He's not trying to be nasty or mean, and he doesn't mean it that way. I don't think anyone does.

Think of it this way....you've entered an area where you're now dealing with 200+ parents. If that doesn't give you the willies, then I don't know what will. They all want to encourage you and help you learn, but at the same time, periodically they're going to give you a dose of reality that you may not want to hear, but hearing it will help you in the long run.

Case in point, my oldest son though my wife and I were the world's most terrible people when he was 15 and 16. Now, he turns 20 in a few days, and he looks at where he is versus kids he was hanging out with when he was younger. And he's realizing that we really were trying to teach him how to be more successful.

-Kevin

[cwbullet]

BB, if my blunt nature has come off as being mean. I apologize.

I too need to follow these rules better.

Kevin, thanks.

[DM1975]

So, when you talk about the younger generation's use of social media differing from that of the older generation, and frame it as an evolution of use rather than a misuse of assets, are you saying that we should answer all their questions, rather than tell them to go read chapter such and such from the Handbook? I strongly feel that having a newcomer to the hobby go read the Handbook would be much more productive than for us to try to summarize its contents in a few forum posts.

No, I am not saying that. We should by all means be pointing them to these books to read and learn. Remember being young? Sometimes the obvious to us are not as obvious to younger people. That guidance in interacting with them enough to tell them where to find the information is important to mentoring and teaching.

I would never advocate just giving all the answers, but teaching and guiding. Our hobby is after all based in science, teaching, and discovery. We should absolutely consider ourselves as teachers to others willing to learn.

[SMR]

So, when you talk about the younger generation's use of social media differing from that of the older generation, and frame it as an evolution of use rather than a misuse of assets, are you saying that we should answer all their questions, rather than tell them to go read chapter such and such from the Handbook? I strongly feel that having a newcomer to the hobby go read the Handbook would be much more productive than for us to try to summarize its contents in a few forum posts.

Every one of us has been told at some point in our lives to read the manual, follow the instructions, or look it up in the dictionary. So it definitely should be the first lesson we pass on to TNG. With tolerance and tact.

bb. Think of it this way....you've entered an area where you're now dealing with 200+ parents.

BEST - METAPHOR - EVER

[dixontj93060]

That's why I stopped posting quite so much......ironically, that's also why I stopped spending so much money at Wildman's.

My paycheck broken down:

46% To my girlfriend
44% To Tim Lehr <<<=== Just like Crack
10% Other (Food, Gas, etc.)

[cwbullet]

Every one of us has been told at some point in our lives to read the manual, follow the instructions, or look it up in the dictionary. So it definitely should be the first lesson we pass on to TNG.

I agree with this. How many times have I heard my Dad say: "have you read the manual"?

How I hear it from my wife: "did you read the instructions?"

I guess what we need to remind ourselves is these guys are learning. If we chase them off, our hobby may stagnate and fail to grow.

I for one thank each every one of you for the knowledge you have shared with me.

44% To Tim Lehr <<<=== Just like Crack

That is funny and true. "my name is Chuck and I have a problem".

[troj]

With tolerance and tact.

To quote several people, "Give that man a cigar!"

Remember, we're dealing with an enthusiastic teenager. The last thing we want to do is crush that enthusiasm.

Instead, we need to channel it and guide him. Consider your posts on the topic as a "teaching moment," and the education needs to come in the form of helping him learn, not beating him into submission.

-Kevin

[ClayD]

So, when you talk about the younger generation's use of social media differing from that of the older generation, and frame it as an evolution of use rather than a misuse of assets, are you saying that we should answer all their questions, rather than tell them to go read chapter such and such from the Handbook? I strongly feel that having a newcomer to the hobby go read the Handbook would be much more productive than for us to try to summarize its contents in a few forum posts.

When it comes to information, I don't come here for "ROCKET SCIENCE".. For one, this is reverse of invovation, we are taking science from 1950's and putting those techniques to work in our garages...we are taking technology from cars and telephones and adapting them to rockets. For me it would be the equivelant of a nasa scientist telling ... why are you asking me... there is an SP on case bonding propellants...

Not saying no one in rockety isnt scientists or inovators.. Because I know otherwise.... But the modus operondi of the hobby is the exact opposite of inovation, its only adaptation at its best day.

when you have a place where more than 3 generations are converging, you have to take into account that they dont live in the same worlds. I am often accused of being in the social media generation, although I have no cell phone, no cable, or high-speed internet at home. I am in the middle, like older people I distinctly see the "loss of asset" of performing poorly due to internet distractions.... or... a gain in asset because i can find SP articles, and email people who know and are accomplished in particular areas... there are motor guys, electronics guys, programming guys, who are all SM linked, and are great sources of information. (they all play on here too...) So, it is a brave new world of information...

So to answer you, no its not polite to answer a question made in ernest with ... heres a book. He may have read it already, and have direct questions that he doesnt understand... In good faith, extend them the courtesy of a response, or no responce without judgement of where they are comming from. Cause really, what good is that judgement at the end of the day. I always like getting a response, with a short answer, and alternet indepth resource such as a book simultaniously...

[RadManCF]

No, I am not saying that. We should by all means be pointing them to these books to read and learn. Remember being young? Sometimes the obvious to us are not as obvious to younger people. That guidance in interacting with them enough to tell them where to find the information is important to mentoring and teaching.

I would never advocate just giving all the answers, but teaching and guiding. Our hobby is after all based in science, teaching, and discovery. We should absolutely consider ourselves as teachers to others willing to learn.

Didn't mean to be alarmist or critical, the post that I was responding to didn't seem to be very clear about that.
I particularly feel that since this is such a technical hobby, exahstive study of mountains of books should come with the territory. Starting with the Handbook, and then the various other hoby rocketry books. And then university textbooks on ballistics, meterology, and rocket propulsion. And so on. In my experience, books are the best way to learn the basics of a technical subject. The forums are for follow up questions and moral support.

[cwbullet]

Hmm. I reread the chain of responses. Maybe, we need another cup of coffee.

[blackbrandt]

So to answer you, no its not polite to answer a question made in ernest with ... heres a book. He may have read it already, and have direct questions that he doesnt understand... In good faith, extend them the courtesy of a response, or no responce without judgement of where they are comming from. Cause really, what good is that judgement at the end of the day. I always like getting a response, with a short answer, and alternet indepth resource such as a book simultaniously...

Actually, I look in Modern HPR2, and I look in the HBOMR before I ask anything on here. I will google questions, but normally what comes up is "rocket", and it is some kid trying to blow one up. So, yes, I do try and answer the questions first. If I posted every question that I had on here, I might be competing with troj for post count.

[DM1975]

Didn't mean to be alarmist or critical, the post that I was responding to didn't seem to be very clear about that.
I particularly feel that since this is such a technical hobby, exahstive study of mountains of books should come with the territory. Starting with the Handbook, and then the various other hoby rocketry books. And then university textbooks on ballistics, meterology, and rocket propulsion. And so on. In my experience, books are the best way to learn the basics of a technical subject. The forums are for follow up questions and moral support.

This is what I mean about "us" needing to be flexible to how social media is changing. It is going to be moulded and changed by the future generations, and not constrained by us to how we think it should be used. He may not know where to look, or may not be able to exactly understand what he is reading. I know that I had to basically have my hand he and walked through dual deployment as I just could not wrap my head around the concept at all. Now it seems so simple to me, but a few years ago I was completely lost.