LDRS 32

[AZ_Ron]

That's it!!! One of the ultimate pieces of Black Rock memorabilia!!

R

[mikec]

This a TRA launch. And I don't see where their restrictions are a problem to NAR or CAR members.Just don't attend if it is a problem with your Personally chosen single organization.

Keep in mind that NAR insurance covers NAR members flying commercial even at an TRA Research launch. The restrictions at TRA Research launches come from TRA, not NAR.

The reciprocity between TRA and NAR is breaking down, IMHO. If you read the ROCKETS Magazine LDRS 31 article, there are a number of people who agree:

Greg Gardner: Why are NAR flyers and L1-certified fliers not allowed to fly rockets just because someone who wants to fly Research is present?

Chris Colby: When I looked at the participation of TRA vs. NAR members at LDRS XXXI, I saw a three-quarter TRA and one-quarter NAR split on Sunday due to the junior member program. But with more and more TRA launches turning to all research, the NAR people would be out in the cold due to NAR standards.

That last has a misconception: as a NAR member, I can fly under NAR rules at any TRA launch, even Research, and my flights are completely covered by my NAR insurance (see http://www.nar.org/insurancefaq.html#Q24 ). It's TRA that doesn't allow me to fly, not NAR.

All that said, it's the LDRS 32 organizers who make the rules for their event and it's their right to do so.

[atxcple]

I commend Mark C and company for reviewing their policy it seems they have made a correction or two

from the website

Commercial Launch Days
Saturday and Sunday, July 20 & 21 will be commercial only launch days. TRA and NAR certified flyers may launch any certified commercial motors per their certification level on these days. There shall be no Non-Member Flyers. You Must be a members of TRA or NAR. Children of TRA and NAR Members will be permitted to fly up thru G Class motors under their parent's supervision and membership. Exception to this rule will be those Tripoli members, 12 to 18, in the Mentoring Program who may fly to the level of their mentor.

[JimJarvis50]

Bruno's still has a few rooms for both LDRS and Balls.

Jim

[MClark]

Away cell date restrictions changed/ Cells OK all days. Still need advance approval.

Flights over 50k
from TRA BoD
Due to increased scrutiny and renewed interaction between FAA and sister Federal agencies. Rocket,s regardless of impulse designed to fly above 50,000 feet AGL will be submitted to the Class 3 committee for review. This is internal and not a request by any Federal Agency but a renewed commitment to Safety by Tripoli. This does not constitute a Class 3 certification but is an excellent primer for obtaining one.

http://ldrs32.com/

[troj]

Deb and I are already registered, and we have our plan tickets. I'm in the process of making some additional plans (like what to bring!), and reading the Flier's Info page on the website, I was wondering if you could clarify something for me?

The website says

The Tripoli Gerlach Launch Control System (LCS) has the capability to support a large number of pads from its main Command box. The Launch Area for LDRS 32 will be configured to duplicate the pad arrangements used at all BALLS Launches, with banks of High Power pads placed at 500', 1,000' and 1,800' from the spectator flight line. Model Rocket pads are placed at 100' from the from spectator light line.

Can you tell me how many pads will be at each distance? Having an idea of what'll be there may well affect what I do (or don't) bring.

Thanks!

-Kevin

[MClark]

TBD, under construction

[CCotner]

Is there a limit to the distance we can set away cells at?

[Green Jello]

If none of the Tripoli Gerlach guys use this forum, who is the "highest ranking" Tripoli Member related to LDRS on here?

[MClark]

CC, how far do you need? IIRC 2500' is the max required for anything.

I believe I am the only person associated with LDRS on TRF

Mark

[CCotner]

We can talk about the details closer to the assigned date, but I've been thinking about safety a lot given two recent threads in propulsion. I'm not worried about cato's being dangerous at that distance-I trust CTI to have properly designed the case so the ends come off and not the sidewalls. I'm concerned about the amount of time it would take for the vehicle to traverse 2500' toward the crowd; it's less than a second if it fails at max-Q (burnout velocity of ~4000fps). Now, while I am going to be close to %99 certain of success this time, that's not how professionals run launches. I'm just wondering how much further we can move it to to give a better margin of safety.