Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: PM Small Endeavour

  1. #1
    Join Date
    8th June 2012
    Location
    Hamilton, Il
    Posts
    92

    PM Small Endeavour

    I have the small Endeavour kit that I am putting together. Is it necessary to install the piston. Just wondering if it would be better with or without it. If you have built/owned an Endeavour did you use it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA

  2. #2
    Join Date
    18th January 2009
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    850
    Quote Originally Posted by geodehunter View Post
    I have the small Endeavour kit that I am putting together. Is it necessary to install the piston. Just wondering if it would be better with or without it. If you have built/owned an Endeavour did you use it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA
    Plenty of people don't like the pistons and will say to leave it out. My PM Small Endeavour is the only kit I've built with one and so far (knocking on wood), it has worked fine in its ~25 flights. That being said, I had to sand the heck out of the piston. The only downside is that during the winter months, the contraction of the body exceeds the piston and it is too snug. I guess I could sand it more, but have decided there are plenty of flight opportunities between March and November.
    Dick Stafford
    The Original Rocket Dungeon
    Volunteer compiler of product news for ROCKETS Magazine

  3. #3
    Join Date
    20th February 2009
    Location
    Cayuga, Indiana
    Posts
    5,489
    I loved my Small Endeavor. Loved is the operable word as it suffered from a Aerotech motor CATO at NSL'06. This was my second and last PML quantum tube rocket. After having trouble with the first one (on an X-Calibur), I did not install the piston in this build.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	HPIM0814 (964x1280).jpg 
Views:	43 
Size:	70.8 KB 
ID:	86216
    L3, TRA #11847
    Tripoli Indiana #132
    Tripoli Central Illinois #59
    Central Illinois Aerospace (NAR) #527
    Chicago Rocket Mafia, "Big Bucks" Dixon
    ___________________________________

    Gravity always wins. -- Radiohead

  4. #4
    Join Date
    4th August 2011
    Location
    Lincolnton NC
    Posts
    2,002
    Now you all have me wondering if I should install the piston in the MR 1 I'm about to dive into. Hmmmmmmm.
    Who dat sayin, "Who dat", when I say, "Who dat?"

  5. #5
    Join Date
    13th February 2009
    Location
    Crossville, TN
    Posts
    3,660
    Quote Originally Posted by dixontj93060 View Post

    I loved my Small Endeavor. Loved is the operable word as it suffered from a Aerotech motor CATO at NSL'06. This was my second and last PML quantum tube rocket. After having trouble with the first one (on an X-Calibur), I did not install the piston in this build.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	HPIM0814 (964x1280).jpg 
Views:	43 
Size:	70.8 KB 
ID:	86216

    How did you measure, mark off and mask the black portion of the nose cone of the rocket pictured?
    The process is continuous...

  6. #6
    Join Date
    15th November 2009
    Location
    Waupaca, WI
    Posts
    592
    The phenolic pistons and PML Quantum Tube change sizes a little differently due to being unlike materials and get loose or tight fitting pending temperature.

    What I do is sand the piston (a lot!) and make sure it slides well at all temp extremes ( sitting hot in the sun or sitting my chest freezer).

    At this point pistons have worked very well for me but have noticed some substantial chipping of the raw phenolic due to landing and shear pin events. Maybe a light internal glassing would help them survive longer.
    "...always interesting to me because as we know, there are known knowns: there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns: that is to say we know there are some things [we know] we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns---the ones we don't know we don't know...."


    S. Broderick
    TRA 11694-L2
    AMA 986888

  7. #7
    Join Date
    20th February 2009
    Location
    Cayuga, Indiana
    Posts
    5,489
    Quote Originally Posted by bradycros View Post
    How did you measure, mark off and mask the black portion of the nose cone of the rocket pictured?
    I have done this on a number of rockets. Use an index card and roll it up in a cylinder of desired diameter. Place over end of nosecone and view from top. Make sure the tip is centered so you will get a mask that is perpendicular to nosecone length. Use 3M fine line or equivalent masking tape (1/16" width works well). Apply fine line tape at bottom of card stock. Remove card stock. Do another mask of flexible vinyl tape below the fine line tape (electrical tape will work). Then mask rest of nosecone and then shoot the tip color.
    L3, TRA #11847
    Tripoli Indiana #132
    Tripoli Central Illinois #59
    Central Illinois Aerospace (NAR) #527
    Chicago Rocket Mafia, "Big Bucks" Dixon
    ___________________________________

    Gravity always wins. -- Radiohead

  8. #8
    Join Date
    13th February 2009
    Location
    Crossville, TN
    Posts
    3,660
    Quote Originally Posted by dixontj93060 View Post

    I have done this on a number of rockets. Use an index card and roll it up in a cylinder of desired diameter. Place over end of nosecone and view from top. Make sure the tip is centered so you will get a mask that is perpendicular to nosecone length. Use 3M fine line or equivalent masking tape (1/16" width works well). Apply fine line tape at bottom of card stock. Remove card stock. Do another mask of flexible vinyl tape below the fine line tape (electrical tape will work). Then mask rest of nosecone and then shoot the tip color.
    Your technique sounds good to me! I'll try it out. Thank you for the reply.
    The process is continuous...

  9. #9
    Join Date
    8th June 2012
    Location
    Hamilton, Il
    Posts
    92
    Thanks for the reply's guy's. I am going to leave it out. It's one thing that can't go wrong if it's not in there.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •