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    AeroTech Information Release 5/19/09

    AeroTech Information Release

    5/19/09

    Federal BATFE Permits No Longer Required to Purchase and Store AeroTech High-Power Motors and Reload Kits


    Following the resolution of a long and difficult legal struggle, AeroTech is very happy to report that effective immediately all AeroTech high-power (generally 'H' class and above) rocket motors and reload kits are now free from regulation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). This means that NO federal BATFE permits are required to purchase, store, sell or use these products by either dealers or consumers.

    Customers are reminded that AeroTech high-power motors and reloads must only be sold to individuals 18 years of age or older in possession of a NAR or Tripoli user certification level commensurate with the motors they wish to purchase. Also, Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regulations remain in effect regarding the operation of all high-power rockets.

    Please read the Joint Statement on the BATFE Litigation from the NAR and TRA dated 5/18/09, and the order from District Court Judge Reggie B. Walton linked on the AeroTech "Home" page.

    Thanks go out to the officials of the TRA and NAR, their legal team and the members, dealers and manufacturers who supported this effort over many years.

    Also, many AeroTech high-power reload kits may be shipped via USPS Parcel PostŪ without incurring a hazmat fee. A complete listing in PDF format may be found on the "Regulatory Documents" page of the AeroTech Resource Library under the "United States Postal Service (USPS)" heading.

    On a related topic, AeroTech would like to inform customers that as of 11/24/08 FAA ATC notification is no longer required for any AeroTech rocket kit using the recommended motors. FAA final rule 2007-27390 is also available for download from the "Regulatory Documents" page of the AeroTech Resource Library under the "Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)" heading.


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    Most excellent news.

    With that being said, I'd love to see the return of the G33J.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donaldsrockets View Post
    Most excellent news.

    With that being said, I'd love to see the return of the G33J.
    While a G33 will not require an LEUP, it will still require L1 as it is a High Power Rocket motor because it has over 62.5 grams of propellant when assembled.

    http://www.doug79.com/stuff/HPR_metric9c.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by shreadvector View Post
    While a G33 will not require an LEUP, it will still require L1 as it is a High Power Rocket motor because it has over 62.5 grams of propellant when assembled.

    http://www.doug79.com/stuff/HPR_metric9c.pdf
    I believe that this can now be changed with the next revision of the applicable NFPA codes.
    Gary C. Rosenfield
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garoq View Post
    I believe that this can now be changed with the next revision of the applicable NFPA codes.
    Hats off to you also Gary for helping with the lawsuit.

    Ben

    P.S. This is the Ben Ullman from TARC with the SatV see.....no avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by shreadvector View Post
    While a G33 will not require an LEUP, it will still require L1 as it is a High Power Rocket motor because it has over 62.5 grams of propellant when assembled.

    http://www.doug79.com/stuff/HPR_metric9c.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben_ullman View Post
    Hats off to you also Gary for helping with the lawsuit.

    Ben

    P.S. This is the Ben Ullman from TARC with the SatV see.....no avatar
    My pleasure Ben, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donaldsrockets View Post
    Most excellent news.

    With that being said, I'd love to see the return of the G33J.

    +1... I'd love to fly a G33J. I love the F22J and would like a larger version for some projects. Please Gary?

    I never got a chance to use one as they were gone before I got an L1. I'm now L2 and still love the 29mm stuff.

    FJ rocks, but sometimes I want lower thrust and more smoke. Excellent motors for oddrocks, the air flow behind a saucer makes the smoke from a BlackJack look really cool. Might make a fun upper stage too.

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    You never got to use a G33?

    You missed out. They were my favorite G loads for almost any smallish MPR rocket. Excellent motors, and I wish I had stocked up a bit more when I had the chance. I think I still have one left (maybe 2).
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    I believe you. Thus my joining in the request for a return of the G33J. Hopefully AT likes us enough to produce them again.

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    I'm now quite happy. I discovered that one of the vendors (The Rocket Garden, specifically) at the launch I was at over the weekend had a couple of G33s left - I was able to grab 2 more before he ran out of stock. Now all I need is a rocket to fly them in...
    Last edited by cjl; 25th May 2009 at 07:49 AM.
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    I to want to see the return of the G33 .

    Another Black Jack motor I would like to see returned was the F14... That was my favorite motor to use in my Initiator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjl View Post
    I'm now quite happy. I discovered that one of the vendors (The Rocket Garden, specifically) at the launch I was at over the weekend had a couple of G33s left - I was able to grab 2 more before he ran out of stock. Now all I need is a rocket to fly them in...
    Is the G33 still certified? I have one or two in my stash that I'd love to fly sometime.

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    I'm pretty sure it is - if it isn't, I'll fly it on a research day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcastle View Post
    Is the G33 still certified? I have one or two in my stash that I'd love to fly sometime.
    How can we possibly find out what motors are certified? f only there was a website with that information....

    http://www.nar.org/SandT/NARenglist.shtml

    http://www.nar.org/SandT/pdf/Combine...sByImpulse.pdf




    Still certified as a High Power Motor since it has more then 62.5 grams of propellant. Requires L1 to fly.

    http://www.doug79.com/stuff/HPR_metric9c.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by shreadvector View Post
    How can we possibly find out what motors are certified? f only there was a website with that information....

    http://www.nar.org/SandT/NARenglist.shtml

    http://www.nar.org/SandT/pdf/Combine...sByImpulse.pdf




    Still certified as a High Power Motor since it has more then 62.5 grams of propellant. Requires L1 to fly.

    http://www.doug79.com/stuff/HPR_metric9c.pdf
    You know, I could swear that when I looked at the NAR site a couple weeks ago the G33 was missing....and lo and behold there it is now. I think my age is getting to me....

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    Does anyone know when it is going out of cert though? I have 4 or 5 I need to use, but no rockets of that size currently flyable...
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