What's the correct color for Soyuz

[kruland]

Hi all,

I know the white seen in photos is the frost, but what is the base color?

Dr Zooch says Testor's 4750 Euro Gray
RoTW says Olive Green.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Kevin

[Dr.Zooch]

Go with what I told you... my info came from a guy who stood by an actual launcher with a color sheet and matched it.

[kruland]

Wow, I bought a rocket from somebody who knows some body who stood next the an actual Soyuz?

Thanks much.

While I have you on the line, what about SAS stabilization panels? You show them as white, but RoTW shows them as red, any my very non authoritative poster shows them as black.

Go with what I told you... my info came from a guy who stood by an actual launcher with a color sheet and matched it.

[PeterAlway]

Go with what I told you... my info came from a guy who stood by an actual launcher with a color sheet and matched it.

I did my best for RotW based on trying to interpret photos whose color balance was indeterminate, only to hear it argued over by people working with other photos whose color balance was indeterminate. So I'm curious what your in-person match was.

[PeterAlway]

While I have you on the line, what about SAS stabilization panels? You show them as white, but RoTW shows them as red, any my very non authoritative poster shows them as black.

Oh, dear. If memory serves correctly, and if SAS Stabilization panels are the grid stabilizers folded against the Soyuz shroud, I didn't mean to indicate they were red. The pattern that was supposed to show the grid shape must have *looked* like the red pattern. I'm pretty sure you are looking at an unintended ambiguity in my drawing. Blast!

[kruland]

Peter,

Don't kick yourself. I looked at the hashed pattern for some time, then looked at the b&w photo you included, then looked at the pattern. I was looking for what color they were so I found the closest match.

Thanks for clearing this up.

Kevin

PS - Love the books and I'd like to see more!

Oh, dear. If memory serves correctly, and if SAS Stabilization panels are the grid stabilizers folded against the Soyuz shroud, I didn't mean to indicate they were red. The pattern that was supposed to show the grid shape must have *looked* like the red pattern. I'm pretty sure you are looking at an unintended ambiguity in my drawing. Blast!

[kjohnson]

Hi all,

I know the white seen in photos is the frost, but what is the base color?

Dr Zooch says Testor's 4750 Euro Gray
RoTW says Olive Green.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Kevin

Doesn't matter. I stood next to a Soyuz in the assembly area at Baikonur, along with James Duffy (FAI scale modeler) and we couldn't agree on the color. I thought it was more gray, he thought it was more green. There were several olive drab cloth covers right up against the paint, and the floor was painted a bright green. Grayish green or greenish gray? Paint what you want if it's for sport flying. Paint what your data shows if it's for a contest.

I'll see if I can dig up the photos I took.. but I wouldn't hold your breath.

kj

[luke strawwalker]

Peter,

Don't kick yourself. I looked at the hashed pattern for some time, then looked at the b&w photo you included, then looked at the pattern. I was looking for what color they were so I found the closest match.

Thanks for clearing this up.

Kevin

PS - Love the books and I'd like to see more!

Second that!!!

How about a scale drawing of the Titan I?? Do you know I haven't been able to find one YET!!! Plenty of pics of the thing online, but not ONE scale drawing that I've been able to find!!!

Later! OL JR

[Dr.Zooch]

Oh, dear. If memory serves correctly, and if SAS Stabilization panels are the grid stabilizers folded against the Soyuz shroud, I didn't mean to indicate they were red. The pattern that was supposed to show the grid shape must have *looked* like the red pattern. I'm pretty sure you are looking at an unintended ambiguity in my drawing. Blast!

On the road currently- I'll PM you the name of my source when I get back next week (It's in my Soyuz notes at home)

[PeterAlway]

Second that!!!

How about a scale drawing of the Titan I?? Do you know I haven't been able to find one YET!!! Plenty of pics of the thing online, but not ONE scale drawing that I've been able to find!!!

Later! OL JR

Fred Williams published dimensions in a MIVARS "Perigee" newsletter way back in the 90's, and that seemed pretty credible. Since then, I beleive I've stumbled into some NASA/NACA documents with some critical dimensions.

Peter Alway

[luke strawwalker]

Fred Williams published dimensions in a MIVARS "Perigee" newsletter way back in the 90's, and that seemed pretty credible. Since then, I beleive I've stumbled into some NASA/NACA documents with some critical dimensions.

Peter Alway

Could I get you to post some of them if you can find them, or give links to it if it's already on the web?? Pretty Please??

Seriously I've been looking for a couple years and haven't found ANYTHING coming close to specific scale dimensions... I know the first stage was ten feet in diameter and the second stage was eight feet, but there's virtually NO data that I've been able to find on the interstage transition... I got some pics in the Air Force Museum in Dayton, but they're at such a high angle I don't have much confidence in "measurements from photos" techniques which rely on a low incidence angles for ANY type of accuracy...

Later and thanks! OL JR