North Korea - connecting the dots...

This just came to me:

South Korea: Kim Jong Un says he could give up nukes
6 Mar 2018

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-...-un-nuclear-weapons-no-missiles-target-south/

China's Xi allowed to remain 'president for life' as term limits removed
11 Mar 2108

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43361276

Kim Jong Un Made a Surprise China Visit, Sources Say
26 Mar 2018

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ader-kim-jong-un-is-said-to-be-visiting-china

CIA Director Pompeo reportedly had a secret meeting with Kim Jong Un
17 April 2018

https://nypost.com/2018/04/17/cia-director-pompeo-reportedly-had-a-secret-meeting-with-kim-jong-un/

CIA Director and secretary-of-state nominee Mike Pompeo reportedly visited North Korea this month (April 2018) and met with strongman Kim Jong-un.

Could North Korea and South Korea finally end their war? Reports say yes
17 Apr 2018

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...orea-set-announce-official-end-war/523804002/

Here's what I think is happening and it's probably the best that could ever be realistically hoped for for all involved:

1. Formal end of Korean War announced
2. NK gives up its nukes and formally goes under (or remains under) China's nuclear bubble just as SK and Japan are under ours; since NK nukes are primarily intended to prevent regime change, they would no longer be needed; as part of the deal, the US MIGHT make a pledge to not move militarily against NK as we did about Cuba, perhaps secretly to avoid political outcry
3. NK opens up to the world, becoming a mini-China with a leader for life (Kim Jong Un) like Xi
4. Oligarchs in NK become insanely rich as they did when Russia & China opened up to (crony) capitalism and to the world's financial system thereby eliminating any desire they might have had to overthrow Kim
5. Labor which is becoming expensive enough in China to justify extreme automation and looking the other way about a large influx of illegal aliens into China is made cheap again via NK
6. Huge NK military manning will gradually transition to factory workers; the commoners of NK will be insanely happy due to the huge increase in their standard of living, further securing Kim's lifetime position
7. N & S Korea will not reunify since China wants a buffer between a US ally and its borders and Kim wants to remain in power for life as part of the overall deal; China might even establish military bases in NK
8. US is cured of its NK headache in that sphere of influence; US military resources in SK could be deployed elsewhere (but watch to see if that actually happens in order to determine what the secondary reason for them being there might be - hint: China)
9. Globalists who have no allegiance to any nation or political ideology nor any ethics other than making money by any (preferably legal) means will absolutely love this and since they're mostly in charge...

Makes sense to me. Something has definitely changed over there.

Was this inevitable? Like, did Little Kim have this all planned out? Months ago? Years ago?

I may be in the minority here, but I think the OP's scenario is the best possible outcome, mostly because it doesn't involve massive conventional and/or nuclear warfare. If it ends in a treaty instead of explosions, I think that's a win-win. Long-term, NK will have to deal with their population wanting the better things in life, much as the Chinese have.

I think Kim's been pretty clear that the nuclear business was a long-term bargaining chip, not to mention a hedge against invasion. So it is probably how he planned it out.

What makes sense is that Kim realized his time is up. No more threatening to get concessions. Game Over. No dictator "plans" their humiliation.

This would be a way for Kim to run to safety under the Chinese nuclear arsenal while saving face. I wonder how this is being twisted on NK television?

A wise and great leader forces his opponents to succumb to his strength and will.

North Korea’s nuclear test site has collapsed ... and that may be why Kim Jong-un suspended tests
The mountain’s collapse after five blasts may be reason behind North Korean leader’s declaration that he would freeze tests and shut down the site
25 Apr 2018

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...site-has-collapsed-and-may-be-why-kim-jong-un

He was heading to the lottery office to claim his prize when he realized he had lost his ticket....

I'd say he's already up to snuff with his arsenal and no longer needs testing platforms.

Winston said:

1. Formal end of Korean War announced
2. NK gives up its nukes and formally goes under (or remains under) China's nuclear bubble just as SK and Japan are under ours; since NK nukes are primarily intended to prevent regime change, they would no longer be needed; as part of the deal, the US MIGHT make a pledge to not move militarily against NK as we did about Cuba, perhaps secretly to avoid political outcry
3. NK opens up to the world, becoming a mini-China with a leader for life (Kim Jong Un) like Xi
4. Oligarchs in NK become insanely rich as they did when Russia & China opened up to (crony) capitalism and to the world's financial system thereby eliminating any desire they might have had to overthrow Kim
5. Labor which is becoming expensive enough in China to justify extreme automation and looking the other way about a large influx of illegal aliens into China is made cheap again via NK
6. Huge NK military manning will gradually transition to factory workers; the commoners of NK will be insanely happy due to the huge increase in their standard of living, further securing Kim's lifetime position
7. N & S Korea will not reunify since China wants a buffer between a US ally and its borders and Kim wants to remain in power for life as part of the overall deal; China might even establish military bases in NK
8. US is cured of its NK headache in that sphere of influence; US military resources in SK could be deployed elsewhere (but watch to see if that actually happens in order to determine what the secondary reason for them being there might be - hint: China)
9. Globalists who have no allegiance to any nation or political ideology nor any ethics other than making money by any (preferably legal) means will absolutely love this and since they're mostly in charge...

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Point #3 is fantasy.
Kim's one and only mission in life is to propagate his God-like status, and control over his country.
Notice - Kim is not a "king" or a "leader" of NK, he is their "God".

#3 is in direct violation of Kim's primary objective.
No open society will tolerate cult-of-personality required to maintain a "God" status. Thus, it will never be allowed to take hold.
Subsequent logical sequence dissolves accordingly.

#2 is wishful thinking as well.
No country that has ever had nukes and then chosen to give them up, has been positively rewarded for its efforts.
The two that did (Ukraine, and Iraq) had its governments overthrown, and landmass invaded by others.
Kim would be a complete idiot to follow that trend, and become the 3rd case study. He is many things, but an idiot is not one of them.

Other than that, lets haggle about #1.

Cabernut said:

What makes sense is that Kim realized his time is up. No more threatening to get concessions. Game Over. No dictator "plans" their humiliation.
This would be a way for Kim to run to safety under the Chinese nuclear arsenal while saving face.

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I don't see how the above is true in any way.
Kim is not threatened by anyone, in any serious way.

Kim wanted nukes as as safeguard to his royal dynasty, he got them. That much he succeeded.
Now it's time for him bargain his nuclear nation status for world-wide recognition and acceptance. So far, he is succeeding in that as well.

grouch said:

A wise and great leader forces his opponents to succumb to his strength and will.

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Are you writing this from TX, or NK?

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Anyone who shoots his uncle with an anti-aircraft gun is not to be trusted. Not to mention his other sordid crimes.

He runs a long string of hackers and counterfeiters, and is all full of himself. Thinks he is a professional movie critic.

The Team America movie that showed him as a puppet really made him angry. And Sony put out a movie that caused him

to hack in and nearly wreck them. And we are going to sign a treaty? Dumb, unless you have a Tomahawk fly thru his window first!

Steven said:

I'd say he's already up to snuff with his arsenal and no longer needs testing platforms.

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Certainly does not need more testing of the warheads.

Search Kim Jung Un+Team America.

It was hard to find a clip without profanity.

And it (team America) was in regards to his dad, not the current 'supreme leader'..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_America:_World_Police

There have been three supreme leaders.. the latest is the son of Kim Jong Il.

He (rocket man) is also (assumed) to be 'western educated' so maybe he knows a few things / is willing to accept a few things his dad (and party / party officials) don't want to.. and is trying to change the regime, the way the regime thinks / operates..

I guess you are right. But all in the clan are the same. Nasty. Letting a psycho have nukes is way worse than a crazy with a gun. The world is in danger. Mark my words. He could wipe us out with a few EMP bombs. Few preppers, we will envy the Amish.

https://breslanta.com/2014/12/18/kim-jong-un-north-korea-human-rights-violations/

[FONT=&amp]Kim Jong-Un has a problem with a comedy movie pretending to kill him, as you’ve probably heard.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Movie theaters and film companies alike have decided not to move forward with the Dec. 25 premiere of “The Interview” starring Seth Rogen and James Franco because there’s a scene where the North Korean supreme leader is killed. That irritated the dumpy dictator, and his people started making cyber threats against America, should they show the film.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp](Like there’s anything they could do about it anyway.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Kim made himself the judge and jury on what’s decent and indecent in American entertainment, so I decided to make a few decisions myself on what’s indecent about his rule over North Korea. Namely, everything.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]But in the interest of your time and my website’s available memory, here’s a shortened list of all the atrocities he’s performed on North Koreans.


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afadeev said:

Are you writing this from TX, or NK?

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Texas, why do you ask?

grouch said:

Texas, why do you ask?

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Your comment about "wise and great leader" would be a perfect match for something coming out of North Korean propaganda machine...

I suspect you were directing praises towards the other guy, yet the similarities are uncanny.
:smile:

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Watch for a possible condition required by NK - war is over, so US has no justifiction for remaining in SK. I suspect that's a condition that the majority in SK would agree with.

'The Korean War Is Over.'
Kim Jong Un Begins 'Writing a New History' as the First North Korean Leader to Visit the South

https://time.com/5257062/north-korea-south-dmz-kim-jong-un-summit/

Even a formal end to the Korean War, which Moon and Kim announced Friday, rings hollow unless the U.S. was also party. (The nations technically remain at war as an armistice rather than peace treaty was signed.) The two leaders said they will work towards signing a peace treaty this year on the 65th anniversary of the armistice — July 27 — which was originally signed between North Korea, China and the U.S. And no specifics were revealed for exactly how denuclearization would occur.

“Serious discussion about denuclearization is simply impossible because this is not so much an issue of South Korea, but rather an issue of the United States,” Andrei Lankov, professor of Korean studies at Seoul’s Kookmin University, told South Korea’s Arirang TV. “South Korea should push the United States towards accepting a compromise.”

Denuclearization of the Korean penninsula would ONLY involve NK since SK doesn't have any nukes and the US no longer stations any nukes there:

A History of US Nuclear Weapons in South Korea

https://www.globalresearch.ca/a-history-of-us-nuclear-weapons-in-south-korea/5623878

During the Cold War, the United States deployed nuclear weapons in South Korea continuously for 33 years, from 1958 to 1991. The South Korean-based nuclear arsenal peaked at an all-time high of approximately 950 warheads in 1967. Since the last US nuclear weapons were withdrawn from South Korea in 1991, the United States has protected South Korea and Japan under a “nuclear umbrella” using nuclear bombers and submarines based elsewhere.

NORTH KOREA VS. SOUTH KOREA – COMPARISON OF MILITARY CAPABILITIES.

https://southfront.org/north-korea-...lities-what-would-new-war-in-korea-look-like/



China deploys advanced DF-26 missile

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2018/04/26/china-deploys-advanced-df-26-missile/

Included in the arsenal is the DF-21D, which is built to take out an aircraft carrier, and a new air-to-air missile with a range of some 400 kilometers (249 miles) that could attack assets such as early warning aircraft and refueling tankers crucial to U.S. Air Force operations.

[video=youtube;24M3AbBcYm8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24M3AbBcYm8[/video]

Its amassing how many army men & machines they can fit into that little peninsula..

SK=84,610 miles square
NK= 46,540 miles square

Texas= 268,800 miles square

This whole thing gets stranger. Never thought Kim would do what he did today. Of course he can never be trusted. Makes me wonder what exactly is his scheme this time. Maybe trying to get the US off his back for a decade so he can work a bit more "unwatched" / money flowing in / etc?

This does fit into #1 in the list though...

OR....As china is hiding it's pyramids, and has some of the highest UFO sightings in the world...
The Aliens have visited NK and told that tard to shape up or get transported to some unknown galaxy where he will just be plant food to carnivorous plants.
Being frightened into taking on a weirdo hair cut, he is becoming submissive to the Aliens we all know are out there...and watching...

I thought they were lizards..

I believe we STILL have troops in Japan and in Europe since the second WW so I doubt pulling them all out of Korea is inevitable.

afadeev said:

Your comment about "wise and great leader" would be a perfect match for something coming out of North Korean propaganda machine...

I suspect you were directing praises towards the other guy, yet the similarities are uncanny.
:smile:

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Read the question posed in the thread above my comment. I was simply answering the query. Not to be confused with my own thoughts.

Me: "Watch for a possible condition required by NK - war is over, so US has no justification for remaining in SK. I suspect that's a condition that the majority in SK would agree with."

Troop Withdrawal on Table If Korea Peace Deal Is Solid: Mattis
28 Apr 2018

https://www.military.com/daily-news...table-if-korea-peace-deal-solid-mattis.html-0

U.S. troop withdrawal could be up for negotiation if North Korea and South Korea can solidify a lasting peace deal, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said Friday.

Mattis was cautious in his response to a question on the potential for withdrawals following the historic meeting Friday of the leaders of North and South Korea.

"That's part of the issues that we'll be discussing in negotiations with our allies first, and of course with North Korea," he said.

Me: "the US MIGHT make a pledge to not move militarily against NK as we did about Cuba"

North Korea offers to give up nukes if U.S. vows not to attack, Seoul officials say
29 Apr 2018

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-north-korea-nuclear-test-site-20180429-story.html

The following is both huge news and very interesting. Some very interesting and incriminating photos shown. The Mossad is amazing in pulling this theft off:

Netanyahu Uncovers Iran's Covert Nuclear Program - Project Amad
30 Apr 2018

[video=youtube;3yECxFH_-H4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yECxFH_-H4[/video]

As I've said before, I strongly suspect that NK was acting as Iran's testing partner, NK doing tests that Iran would not dare do, with Iran perhaps even providing monetary and technical aid. I also suspect that Iran would now likely possess, having paid a great deal for it or having it by virtue of aid given in its design and funding, the NK thermonuclear warhead design. There's also reported to be more than coincidental similarity in the missile designs and construction of Iranian and NK missiles.

Cabernut said:

This whole thing gets stranger. Never thought Kim would do what he did today. Of course he can never be trusted. Makes me wonder what exactly is his scheme this time. Maybe trying to get the US off his back for a decade so he can work a bit more "unwatched" / money flowing in / etc?

This does fit into #1 in the list though...

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My guess is that he looked around a little bit and figured out some stuff. There's two real threats that Kim faces: the US and his own people. You could maybe break down his own people into the generals and the little guys, but you get the idea. Despite their internal propaganda, the US was never going to attack NK unless he did something mind-bogglingly stupid. So that leaves his own people. How do you keep your people happy? You make sure they have enough stuff to stay happy because at some point they're going to notice that life on the other side of the DMZ is a heck of a lot better. Opening up on trade makes economic growth possible, so you need to work out a way to reduce sanctions while still looking strong. The nuclear program is a damn good bargaining chip in that direction.

Some places Kim probably learned lessons from:
Iraq: No nukes, so the US was willing to invade. Lesson: keep your nuclear program running until you have a hard and fast treaty
Iran: You can trade nukes for peace and sanctions relief
Libya: If the people aren't happy, you might get overthrown even if you do rule with an iron fist. Once the revolution starts, the West is all too happy to pile on to support the rebels.
China: You can be a "socialist" country, have a leader for life, and still have a thriving economy where everyone thinks they can get rich and the political upper class is nearly guaranteed to get rich.
Russia: Pretty much the same as China, but with sham elections, a more overt Mafia, and fewer concerns about politicians looking like they're on the take.

I can definitely imagine Kim looking at China and wanting to follow that example.

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My suspicions about missile and nuke development cooperation between NK and Iran where NK did for Iran tests they would not dare do themselves, something which I'd never been able to confirm with anything more than brief mentions found online were finally confirmed in an interview with a US NK expert I saw a few days ago. He said there have been many visits from Iran to NK for the various tests and the expert gave a figure of between 2.5 to 3 BILLION dollars sent to NK from Iran for these NK missile and nuke efforts, annually I believe.

So, here's my guess:

Mission accomplished:

1. A functional THERMONUCLEAR warhead design has been developed and tested, the design of which Iran certainly has since they most likely funded it; the design specifics will be retained by both Iran and NK.
2. The test site has collapsed and considering #1, it can be deactivated with no impact.

Since the Netanyahu video linked to above has been removed, probably due to some kind of copyright violation, I've included the complete video from another source, the Ruskies:

[video=youtube;WrPFH_KIqSc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrPFH_KIqSc[/video]

BTW, here's one of the likely reasons for withdrawal from the Iran deal, something I've not seen covered in any significant way - kick them over the edge of the economic cliff with the renewal of extreme sanctions. Knowledge of my speculation above is possibly also a factor:

The Iranian Rial’s Economic Death Spiral
by Steve H. Hanke of Johns Hopkins University
9 May 2018

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-09/iranian-rials-economic-death-spiral

Excerpt:

The Grim Reaper has taken his scythe to the Iranian rial (see chart below). The Islamic Republic of Iran remains in the ever-tightening grip of an economic death spiral. The economy is ever-vulnerable because of problems created by the last Shah, and added to massively by the theocratic regime. Indeed, the economy is more vulnerable to both internal and external shocks than ever. That vulnerability will become more apparent in the face of President Trump’s tearing up of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), and the laying on of more primary and secondary sanctions against Iran.

How fast the death spiral will spin is anyone’s guess.

Winston said:

My suspicions about missile and nuke development cooperation between NK and Iran where NK did for Iran tests they would not dare do themselves, something which I'd never been able to confirm with anything more than brief mentions found online were finally confirmed in an interview with a US NK expert I saw a few days ago. He said there have been many visits from Iran to NK for the various tests and the expert gave a figure of between 2.5 to 3 BILLION dollars sent to NK from Iran for these NK missile and nuke efforts, annually I believe.

So, here's my guess:

Mission accomplished:

1. A functional THERMONUCLEAR warhead design has been developed and tested, the design of which Iran certainly has since they most likely funded it; the design specifics will be retained by both Iran and NK.
2. The test site has collapsed and considering #1, it can be deactivated with no impact.

Since the Netanyahu video linked to above has been removed, probably due to some kind of copyright violation, I've included the complete video from another source, the Ruskies:

[video=youtube;WrPFH_KIqSc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrPFH_KIqSc[/video]

BTW, here's one of the likely reasons for withdrawal from the Iran deal, something I've not seen covered in any significant way - kick them over the edge of the economic cliff with the renewal of extreme sanctions. Knowledge of my speculation above is possibly also a factor:

The Iranian Rial’s Economic Death Spiral
by Steve H. Hanke of Johns Hopkins University
9 May 2018

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-09/iranian-rials-economic-death-spiral

Excerpt:

The Grim Reaper has taken his scythe to the Iranian rial (see chart below). The Islamic Republic of Iran remains in the ever-tightening grip of an economic death spiral. The economy is ever-vulnerable because of problems created by the last Shah, and added to massively by the theocratic regime. Indeed, the economy is more vulnerable to both internal and external shocks than ever. That vulnerability will become more apparent in the face of President Trump’s tearing up of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), and the laying on of more primary and secondary sanctions against Iran.

How fast the death spiral will spin is anyone’s guess.

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This is in line with what I had stated earlier. He doesn't 'need' a program anymore. He's got what he wants out of it.