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  1. #31
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    You will also need a drivers license to drive to the field. Make sure to have that.

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    AT 24mm F reloads don't have hazmat charge when shipping

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMcCann View Post
    You will also need a drivers license to drive to the field. Make sure to have that.
    I wonder how many people caught that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by grouch View Post
    I wonder how many people caught that?
    I'm guessing less than 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMcCann View Post
    I really really like the aerotech 29mm line.

    29/40-120 case-
    E16W, E23T, F22J, F40W, F52T,G53FJ, G64W, G76G, and G138T (W is White, J and FJ are smokey, G for Green, T is Blue. Be aware the smaller AT blues aren't very blue. The G138T is very blue, also it and the F loads require hazmat, the others do not) Reloads in the case can be had CHEAP from hobbylinc and most other vendors. G76G's go for $10-11.
    The 60 has the F37W and F62T.
    The 100 has the G54W, and G104T,
    The 120 has the G77R, G79W, G25W. (G25 is haz, other 2 are not)
    The 180 case has a G75J (hazmat) load thats a full G.
    The 180 case has High power loads for H128W, H165R, and H238T no haz $19
    The 240 case has High power loads for H180W, H210R, H220T, H250G, and H97J (H97 is haz, rest non haz) $22
    The 360 case has High power loads for H268R, and I200W non hazmat. $30

    This here is a very handy, and quite useful, outline of the line.
    Well worth cutting and pasting, or at the very least bookmarking, for later reference.
    Thanks for posting it (and nice pics too).

    To add my own take:
    I've flown a ton of, and always enjoyed: F40Ws, G53FJs, G76Gs, H128Ws, H165Rs, H180Ws, H210Rs, H250Gs, and I200Ws. All great stuff. My 29/40-120 cases were definitely my most used hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealth6 View Post
    This here is a very handy, and quite useful, outline of the line.
    Well worth cutting and pasting, or at the very least bookmarking, for later reference.
    Thanks for posting it (and nice pics too).

    To add my own take:
    I've flown a ton of, and always enjoyed: F40Ws, G53FJs, G76Gs, H128Ws, H165Rs, H180Ws, H210Rs, H250Gs, and I200Ws. All great stuff. My 29/40-120 cases were definitely my most used hardware.
    Thanks... These motors are a really economical way to fly a lot of rockets really easily. I can put just about any of them in my Optima and have a great flight. going super high and super fast on a DD flight is really cool, but there's something to the simplicity of tossing a few loaded motors in a cargo pocket, and just fly, recover, prep in field and walk right back to the pads. boom boom boom.
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    I like my CTI 29mm 3 grain. The motors are only $20-25. There's always HAZMAT on the CTI motors, but if you have a local vendor at a launch, then you don't have to worry about HAZMAT. It's also really great to support local vendors, not always the online people.


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    "Online people" are sometimes "local sellers"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerving View Post
    Get a 29/40-120 case and fly the heck out of it, the loads are all cheap and no hazmat. When you decide to go into HPR, get either an AT 29/240 set or a CTI 3G set. Some dealers used to give you the CTI 3G cert load when you bought the hardware... don't know if that's true anymore.
    Actually the cert deal is the case free -- closure, etc. not included -- with purchase of the reload. Still appears to be a thing, don't certify without it . Some will even let you use it as a credit towards any hardware, such as the starter kit, but CTI does just send the 3G case so some have an excess of them.

    Note that if one wants to push the max. *without certification*, there aren't a lot of high G motors. The 29/40-120 only goes up to 118 N-s except for the high power G138. The G80 SU/DMS is 137 N-s. The 29/180 has the G75 but is an expensive combo if you're not using any of the other loads for the case. CTI, however, has 2 high G motors for the 29-3G, the G54 at 159 N-s and the G33 at 143.

    (OTOH, if you fly with a club with a max. F on the low power pads, you might want the 29/40-120 for the F40 and F52. CTI does not make a high F of any kind.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill_s View Post
    Actually the cert deal is the case free -- closure, etc. not included -- with purchase of the reload. Still appears to be a thing, don't certify without it .
    Really?
    Who is offering that deal?

    I haven't heard of ANY deals on CTI hardware+loads since the fire of 2+ years ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by afadeev View Post
    Really?
    Who is offering that deal?

    I haven't heard of ANY deals on CTI hardware+loads since the fire of 2+ years ago...

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    AMW still offers it
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMcCann View Post
    I really really like the aerotech 29mm line.
    David thank you for this incredibly helpful post - I'm so glad I found it. (not the part I quoted - the rest of it ) Without a doubt the most concise and useful explanation of AT29mm RMS motor options I've found - and believe my I've been looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroutspacenut View Post
    David thank you for this incredibly helpful post - I'm so glad I found it. (not the part I quoted - the rest of it ) Without a doubt the most concise and useful explanation of AT29mm RMS motor options I've found - and believe my I've been looking.
    Thanks! I've been planning a bunch of EX stuff and not thinking so much about commercial motors... This thread is making me want to fire off some H268R and I200W's again
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    Thanks Nathan for starting this thread and to everyone that has posted to it. A lot of useful info here.

    One aspect of motor hardware not touched upon (in this thread) is the use of reload spacers. My interest here is primarily in Aerotech's 29mm system.

    Casing (purchase) 1 spacer 2 spacers
    29/40-120 DOES NOT WORK DOES NOT WORK
    29/60 DOES NOT WORK DOES NOT WORK
    29/100 29/60 DOES NOT WORK
    29/120 29/100 29/60
    29/180 29/120 29/100
    29/240 29/180 29/120
    29/360 29/240 29/180
    Original table courtesy of ApogeeRockets.com

    For me being new to the MPR/HPR side of things, it's seems reasonable to begin with the 29/40-120, I already have one, and then adding a 29/120 along with the spacer kit as I progress towards my 1st goal of L1 certification. And then in the future acquire a 29/360 as I continue on to L2 certification.

    Using buyrocketmotors prices:

    #1) 29/120 Complete + 29/360 complete + cases for all other sizes = $315.00 before shipping

    #2) 29/120 Complete + 29/360 complete + 29mm Reload spacer kit = $206.99 before shipping. Savings over #1 = $108.01

    I realize that in some circumstances using just two cases can lead to problems. For instance, the 29/360 possibly being too long for a heavy stubby rocket.

    Pros and Cons anyone?

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    You wouldn’t need two complete motors. Both cases and one set of closures; unless you wanted to fly both at the same time or have them both loaded and ready to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solid_fuel View Post
    You wouldn’t need two complete motors. Both cases and one set of closures; unless you wanted to fly both at the same time or have them both loaded and ready to go.
    Yeah, the idea is to have two complete motors. I recently lost my 1st 29/40-120 on it's maiden burn pushing my Kraken on it's maiden flight. That double loss made me realize that it's a good idea to have spares of anything I can afford.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobor View Post
    Thanks Nathan for starting this thread and to everyone that has posted to it. A lot of useful info here.

    One aspect of motor hardware not touched upon (in this thread) is the use of reload spacers. My interest here is primarily in Aerotech's 29mm system.

    Casing (purchase) 1 spacer 2 spacers
    29/40-120 DOES NOT WORK DOES NOT WORK
    29/60 DOES NOT WORK DOES NOT WORK
    29/100 29/60 DOES NOT WORK
    29/120 29/100 29/60
    29/180 29/120 29/100
    29/240 29/180 29/120
    29/360 29/240 29/180
    Original table courtesy of ApogeeRockets.com

    For me being new to the MPR/HPR side of things, it's seems reasonable to begin with the 29/40-120, I already have one, and then adding a 29/120 along with the spacer kit as I progress towards my 1st goal of L1 certification. And then in the future acquire a 29/360 as I continue on to L2 certification.

    Using buyrocketmotors prices:

    #1) 29/120 Complete + 29/360 complete + cases for all other sizes = $315.00 before shipping

    #2) 29/120 Complete + 29/360 complete + 29mm Reload spacer kit = $206.99 before shipping. Savings over #1 = $108.01

    I realize that in some circumstances using just two cases can lead to problems. For instance, the 29/360 possibly being too long for a heavy stubby rocket.

    Pros and Cons anyone?
    Just a note.... there are two different sized spacers for the 29mm RAS (i believe it comes with 3 total)

    http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/upl...apter_inst.pdf




    Personally, I'd get a 180 and 360 case with an RAS. The odds you'll ever want to fly 60 or 100 loads is next to zero. I wound up selling off my 60, 100, and even 120 cases. Admittedly, the 120's are very very useful, but I kept a pair of 29 40-120's and they fill that role nicely. Had AT released a green for the 120 case, I'd pick up another pair of those and dump the hobby line case.

    Don't buy complete motors if you're getting an RAS.... it's a forward closure. So buy one complete, one rear, one RAS, and one case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMcCann View Post
    Just a note.... there are two different sized spacers for the 29mm RAS (i believe it comes with 3 total)

    http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/upl...apter_inst.pdf




    Personally, I'd get a 180 and 360 case with an RAS. The odds you'll ever want to fly 60 or 100 loads is next to zero. I wound up selling off my 60, 100, and even 120 cases. Admittedly, the 120's are very very useful, but I kept a pair of 29 40-120's and they fill that role nicely. Had AT released a green for the 120 case, I'd pick up another pair of those and dump the hobby line case.

    Don't buy complete motors if you're getting an RAS.... it's a forward closure. So buy one complete, one rear, one RAS, and one case.
    Okay kool. Thanks for the tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMcCann View Post
    Just a note.... there are two different sized spacers for the 29mm RAS (i believe it comes with 3 total)

    http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/upl...apter_inst.pdf




    Personally, I'd get a 180 and 360 case with an RAS. The odds you'll ever want to fly 60 or 100 loads is next to zero. I wound up selling off my 60, 100, and even 120 cases. Admittedly, the 120's are very very useful, but I kept a pair of 29 40-120's and they fill that role nicely. Had AT released a green for the 120 case, I'd pick up another pair of those and dump the hobby line case.

    Don't buy complete motors if you're getting an RAS.... it's a forward closure. So buy one complete, one rear, one RAS, and one case.
    Sorry but, RAS?

    And I'm glad, after years of this forum having plenty of proper discussion, we can still find plenty to ramble on about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Normzilla View Post
    Sorry but, RAS?

    And I'm glad, after years of this forum having plenty of proper discussion, we can still find plenty to ramble on about.

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    As long as question are asked, discussions will be had lol

    Until the "Did you do a search?" Gestapo finally stage a Coup and take over the forum

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    You would also need a forward seal disk for about half the 29/240's and all the 29/360's. Not sure how that works with a spacer (for the 240).

    Personally I own two of the Hobbyline 29/40-120's. And a complete 29/180 and 29/240 with the seal disc. The 29/360 offers just the two loads. And my 38 set starts at 360.. I find my go-to 29 HPR loads are the H128W and the H180W. The hobbyline G53 for low and slow and the G76 to test out any 29mm HPR bird as it has a lot of kick off the pad. No Hazmat options are always a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nytrunner View Post
    Until the "Did you do a search?" Gestapo finally stage a Coup and take over the forum
    Well now that you mention it, I do have a bunch of saved html pages and PDF files of motor & reload info. They're just buried in a subfolder somewhere on one of my computers. I guess I should do a search of all the drives and find that stuff. It could be useful...... :P

    Quote Originally Posted by swatkat View Post
    You would also need a forward seal disk for about half the 29/240's and all the 29/360's. Not sure how that works with a spacer (for the 240).

    Personally I own two of the Hobbyline 29/40-120's. And a complete 29/180 and 29/240 with the seal disc. The 29/360 offers just the two loads. And my 38 set starts at 360.. I find my go-to 29 HPR loads are the H128W and the H180W. The hobbyline G53 for low and slow and the G76 to test out any 29mm HPR bird as it has a lot of kick off the pad. No Hazmat options are always a good thing.
    One of the reasons I want to go the RAS route is because of the fact that some cases have so few reload options. Doing more with less, motor case wise, allows more funds available for buying more reloads.

    And yeah, I loved the G76. Really sweet green flame and my Kraken leaped off the pad like a bat out of hell. It was cool watching that bird fly!


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