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Rather than include your entire post, for brevity, I included only your summary statement. Summary statements typically encapsulate the core point of an argument - at least that is what my English teachers told me.
I see. So I get right to the point and you give me a snarky comment about an assumption I made. You get right to the point and you're making a post to make English teachers proud.

That's very curious indeed.
 
There is no stopping a sick, deranged person if their mind is focused on death and destruction.
Full auto weapons require a federal permit to possess. He could have easily bought them in any large innercity at bargain.
He could have easily thrown 50 or more pipe bombs on a festival below with the same result.
Whether by gun, bomb or moving truck, it is impossible to predict when a mentally ill person snaps.
Your government will never find a solution if they can't make the streets of Chicago, DC and other cities safe.

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I would posit that "Doing Something" without any idea of what it is or how it affects things is worse than doing what appears to be nothing while studying the problem objectively.

Sadly, the predictable responses are already out. The control side making noise, the anti-control side making noise. And in the end, much noise will be made with nothing useful actually said or done.
 
I'd like to know if anyone HAS a plausible solution to this.

Sadly, without being able to predict someone going nuts, I believe the best solution isn't prevention, it's reaction. Stop the person ASAP, treat the injured.

you can't stop crazy. You can be ready for it. Sadly.
 
If only the government has guns, you have a totalitarian state.

If only the police have guns, you get NFL protesting.

If only the people have guns, you get anarchy.

If only the good people have guns ... well, who gets to decide who is good?
 
the obvious solution*, remove access to the area from which the shots were fired, bullet proof glass in windows overlooking the street etc.
Rex
*which means it will likely never happen.
 
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Sadly, without being able to predict someone going nuts, I believe the best solution isn't prevention, it's reaction. Stop the person ASAP, treat the injured.

you can't stop crazy. You can be ready for it. Sadly.

This. Except there are varying levels of "ready" and some are more possible and acceptable than others.

We should never expect a hotel to pay for armed guards to be stationed on every floor, just in case they need to run down the hall and bust into a room to stop someone. And if that level of readiness were present at this particular hotel it's likely the shooter would have found a different place to sit, but he'd still try to kill a lot of people and the guards wouldn't have prevented anything.

Vegas is probably the city that has the most cameras, watching the highest number of people, in the world. There's cameras all over the casino floors, but looking down from the buildings, in the hallways, elevators, pretty much everywhere except in the hotel rooms. I'm not sure I'm prepared to accept the level of "ready" that would place cameras in the hotel rooms just to make sure someone isn't preparing for something like this (not that you were suggesting anything like that).

If they'd been less "ready" I'm sure the number of dead would be many times higher than 50, so as horrible as it was it could have been much worse without the brave people that were on their way to the room to end it.

I agree that the money and resources need to be applied to being ready, reducing reaction times, and being able to stop something as soon as possible after it starts, and not so much on preventing it from starting to begin with because that's not really possible.
 
The problem is not guns or the 2nd amendment. The problem is Americans have forgotten GOD. Americans have fallen away. It says in the end of days this will happen. There I said it. The most truthful and honest answer on this thread.
 
I'd like to know if anyone HAS a plausible solution to this.

The problem is that federal researchers (ie CDC) are prohibited by law from conducting any research that could lead to gun control. Therefore, no research into root causes/solutions can be done, because the root cause may be "X is a serious problem" and the solution is "don't let people own X." X might be .223 ammo, large magazines, who knows what, but we will never know if we don't have research. And that goes for both Chicago and Vegas.

One of my co-workers knew a couple who were at the concert. The husband saw the wife get hit in the leg, and the two were somehow separated after that. She wasn't carrying ID, so he has no idea whether she is dead or "just" wounded, nor where she is. Please, everyone, carry ID of some kind with you in public.
 
I see. So I get right to the point and you give me a snarky comment about an assumption I made. You get right to the point and you're making a post to make English teachers proud.

That's very curious indeed.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were so fragile. I'll be more sensitive to that in the future.
 
No need for gun control. Just do not sell a gun to a person with a felony. Do the proper background checks. If the person is clean no reason not to sell a gun to that person. Guns do not kill people people kill people.
 
"Now is not the time to talk abut gun control"

Say time and again the political cowards in Washington as an excuse to try to avoid EVER TALKING ABOUT IT.

But if Sandy Hook didn't do it, apparently NOTHING will.

Yeah, let's sell MACHINE GUNS to civilians. THAT MAKES SENSE.

(Not George) but George's post is part of the root cause. How many views do those videos have in the last few hours? I don't know...I'm not going to feed the fire by watching them.

Point: today's media-saturated (content poor), gotta have it now world publicizes insanity like this promptly and frequently. These horrendous acts are glorified for all to see; and unfortunately people feed on it! The media focuses on the negative; the hurtful, anger fed events that take place. Where do you think these maniacs get ideas to do things like this?

Media is a big part of the problem. There are often several root causes, but I believe this to be one of them!

Prayers to those affected.
 
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One of my co-workers knew a couple who were at the concert. The husband saw the wife get hit in the leg, and the two were somehow separated after that. She wasn't carrying ID, so he has no idea whether she is dead or "just" wounded, nor where she is. Please, everyone, carry ID of some kind with you in public.

That's horrible. I fear that if she hasn't contacted him by now, she must not be able to. So sorry to hear it.
 
Not a gun control point. But everyone does realize you can't just walk out and buy machine guns anywhere? And it's regan who restricted that to near impossibility?

semi autos easily sound like fully automatic fire.


As for "readiness" I don't mean cameras all over. Just people knowing how to react, not panic, more first aid training to everyone and equipment in public places. Teach people how to move as a crowd to safe places without trampling each other. This was a bad situation for a lot of that, being that elevated and an open space makes for a shooting gallery. But the point stands.
 
The snowflakes out in abundance I see complaining about guns. Guns are harmless and only harmful when put into the hands of nutjobs
 
The problem is not guns or the 2nd amendment. The problem is Americans have forgotten GOD. Americans have fallen away. It says in the end of days this will happen. There I said it. The most truthful and honest answer on this thread.
More about the end of days?

I'm curious why your invisible friend allowed the shooter to do such a thing in the first place. Surely he could have stopped it.


The snowflakes out in abundance I see complaining about guns. Guns are harmless and only harmful when put into the hands of nutjobs
I asked Santa Claus to bring me a world free of snowflakes and nutjobs. Surely asking an invisible friend for a favor will work, right?
 
I live 13.2 miles north of the Mandalay Bay shooting scene near Nellis AFB. (Near Las Vegas Boulevard and Carey Avenue in 'North Town', aka North Las Vegas.) Spent most of the night checking in with friends and family on FB. So I didn't get much sleep last night.

Too much speculation and guessing is going on and the 24+ hour news cycle is going crazy with news networks trying to out-scoop each other, even if the information is later discounted as false.
 
The problem is that federal researchers (ie CDC) are prohibited by law from conducting any research that could lead to gun control.

Only the federal government is capable of conducting research?
 
[h=3]Number of deaths for leading causes of death:[/h]
  • Heart disease: 633,842
  • Cancer: 595,930
  • Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 155,041
  • Accidents (unintentional injuries): 146,571
  • Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 140,323
  • Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
  • Diabetes: 79,535
  • Influenza and Pneumonia: 57,062
  • Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 49,959
  • Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,193
[h=3]All unintentional injury deaths[/h]
  • Number of deaths: 135,928
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 42.6
  • Cause of death rank: 4
[h=3]Unintentional fall deaths[/h]
  • Number of deaths: 31,959
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.0
[h=3]Motor vehicle traffic deaths[/h]
  • Number of deaths: 33,736
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6
[h=3]Unintentional poisoning deaths[/h]
  • Number of deaths: 42,032
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.2
Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2014, tables 9, 18[PDF – 5.4 MB]




  • From 1999 through 2010, a total of 46,419 deaths from unintentional drowning (including boating) occurred in the United States, an average of 3,868 deaths per year.
  • Drowning death rates decreased over time for all age groups except for adults aged 45–84.
  • The average daily number of deaths from unintentional drowning on a weekend day was 48% higher than that on a weekday (13.8 versus 9.3 deaths).
  • Since 2005, unintentional drowning has replaced motor vehicle traffic incidents as the leading cause of death from unintentional injury for boys aged 1–4 years.
  • Drowning occurred most often in a bath tub for persons under 1 year of age and for adults aged 85 and over, in a swimming pool for children aged 1–4 years, and in natural water for persons aged 5–84 years.


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All the above is from the CDC.

Yes, gun violence is an issue. It's not anywhere close to being our biggest issue. I don't see rage and T-shirts and people protesting backyard pools, But it's more likely your kid will die in one than a mass shooting....

Yeah.. lets talk about influenza killing more people than guns.. oh wait.. it don't fit a political narrative...Its pathetic and honestly disgusting that people scream "after the fact" about this "gun violence" yet say not a word about Chicago. They cant even find that city on a MAP!!! More people are shot in 1 month in Chicago than all the wounded in Las Vegas. And its a MONTHLY thing, 12 months of utter killing, versus 1 day.. and they now fein "outrage"

It shows how far there intelligence level is, however.. the political motives are nothing short of band wagon bus lemmings.

The people calling for the banning of guns are nothing short of uneducated, liberal far left whack jobs. They have no idea about the 2nd amendment, or the people who died to protect that right.

Ill give up my guns when Afghanistan gives up all there guns.
 
it could have been worse, the guy had a pilots license and 2 planes. what would people say if someone dropped a load of canned hams from 5k?
Rex
 
This thread needs to be locked; people are insulting each other and it has gotten very political.
 
No need for gun control. Just do not sell a gun to a person with a felony. Do the proper background checks. If the person is clean no reason not to sell a gun to that person. Guns do not kill people people kill people.

Huh. Does it feel weird to be on the same side of the issue as the Democratic Party? They've been asking for universal background checks for a couple of decades now, with massive resistance from the gun lobby.

Only the federal government is capable of conducting research?

Few organizations besides the federal government have the ability to fund the studies, get the information from law enforcement agencies, and do the appropriate analysis. Not to mention have some credibility in the final results.
 
Lots of reports coming out about this guy Paddock, including that his father was at one time on the FBI's most wanted list. But if he left no note, we may never know why he did it. Motive, I mean. he was obviously mentally unbalanced. but why a night club? Why country music? Why October 1, 2017? Was it motivated by politics? Religion? Social status? Was he dating someone in the crowd who jilted him, and he decided to take 50 or 60 other people down along with her?
 
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