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I am a purist. Now that we got that out of the way. I saw the new Star Trek Beyond Trailer tonight. I see that the Enterprise gets destroyed by some aliens. As far as I see it it might possibly be a Search for Spoke remake. In that movie Kirk shelf destructs the Enterprise to kill some bloody Klingons. Obviously, this is a different movie, its not Canon. But anyway if they get a new ship Enterprise NCC-1701 A at the end of Star Trek Beyond then it will be a Search for Spock remake with a little Voyage home included. So IDK about this. I hated the music in the trailer. I want to see less action and special effects and more philosophical diplomacy and a wagon train to the stars. Gene Roddenberry "the great Bird of the galaxy" is probably rolling over in his grave. What is sad these days with movies if they don't have blow'em up action all the time through out the movie than its not considered a good movie. I miss my grandfathers Star Trek. There is still hope for the new CBS star trek that is coming in January. From what I have heard it will be canon set between The Undiscovered Country and TNG. What I guess I am saying is I can always "hope." I hope the new trek coming in January will be similar to traditional Trek. What made Star Trek so great was the hope it gave people in the present about the future.

Live Long and Prosper
 
andrewlathrop87 said:
Obviously, this is a different movie, its not Canon.
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It's absolutely canon! This is the continuation of the storyline down an alternate path than some of the other movies, but it's still set in the same universe and is part of the official canon of Star Trek.

andrewlathrop87 said:
I miss my grandfathers Star Trek.
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That is why a lot of people don't like the new Trek movies. These aren't the same actors or filmmakers, and so the movies are going to have a different feel. I love them, I think the trailer looks great, and I can't wait to see this movie! If all they ever made were the same kinds of movies that resembled your grandfather's Trek then I'm guessing you'd have gotten bored and stopped watching long ago.
 
It's just a trailer. Of course they're going to put the action elements into the 2 minutes available to get people interested. I'll watch it when it comes out.
 
This same exact thread existed for the last one. The trailer seemed all "fast and furious" but the movie was pretty good.
 
I understand. I will see it but I expect to be disappointed. I miss adult Star Trek.
 
Mushtang said:
It's absolutely canon! This is the continuation of the storyline down an alternate path than some of the other movies, but it's still set in the same universe and is part of the official canon of Star Trek.

That is why a lot of people don't like the new Trek movies. These aren't the same actors or filmmakers, and so the movies are going to have a different feel. I love them, I think the trailer looks great, and I can't wait to see this movie! If all they ever made were the same kinds of movies that resembled your grandfather's Trek then I'm guessing you'd have gotten bored and stopped watching long ago.
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I dont think you understand universe. Yes it all takes place around the same planets, ect.... but with the different events that happend caused by Nero and Spoke in the first reboot movie it caused a different result from the original star trek. Kirks father george kirk never died in the original in fact James T Kirks father lived to see James grow up and saw him graduate from Starfleet. That did not happen in the reboot george kirk died and never was there to raise james so automatically James life was altered 100%. Vulcan was blown up that never happened in the original. Spoke died in Wrath of Kan and later came back in the search for Spock. In "into darkness" they kind of tried to match the original but missed it by a mile Kirk died and then comes back.

You see its the same characters, but because of events in there lives they are different than the original. Because a Vulcan was destroyed it caused characters to change their ways. Its a different universe an alternate universe. The rebooted Star Trek is not Canon. They did it that way because it allowed the writers to go into a different direction. An idea that I never have agreed with.

Mushtang you saying its canon and the same universe is like saying Batman vs. Superman is the same universe and Christian Bale's Batman universe. Its laughable!!

In fact I loved my grandfathers trek. It was the best. It was all about diplomacy and ethical issues. It showed the best of the humanity and the human spirit. It showed everyone here in the 20th and 21st century that there is hope for Humanity in the future.

I dont have to see action and things blowing up to enjoy Star Trek. I will see this movie just because it is Star Trek, but I dont have to like it. I probably wont. I think 9 out of 10 people will agree on this with me that the music makes trek trek. This music in the reboots is just awful. Where is Jerry Goldsmith and James horner when you need them. Rest in peace Goldsmith and Horner.

I still have hope that the CBS trek coming in January will be canon.
 
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Man tough audience.

Admittedly I have never been much of a movie critic but I have seen every episode of Start Trek movie and all iterations of the TV series, likely a dozen times, and I would consider myself a Trekkie. Personally I like the trailer, I found it entertaining and that is what it's all about for me.
 
mpitfield said:
Man tough audience.

Admittedly I have never been much of a movie critic but I have seen every episode of Start Trek movie and all iterations of the TV series, likely a dozen times, and I would consider myself a Trekkie. Personally I like the trailer, I found it entertaining and that is what it's all about for me.
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I see what you are saying. But for me Star Trek is more than "it has to be entertaining." For me Star Trek is what I want Humanity to aspire to be one day. Man is not destined to live on just Earth in the future. We have to be a multi planet species to survive. For that matter maybe in 200 years a multi solar system species. What Star Trek represents, Gene's Roddenberry trek is all the best aspects of humanity rolled into one. I believe humanity will get there one day, but we are not there yet it may take 100 years or more.

In reality it will take an outside influence to get humanity to out grow its infancy. Example: The Vulcans meeting humans for the first time. When Man sees we are not alone in the galaxy thats when we will begin to grow.
 
I have always felt that some of the original Star Trek movies were marginal, like the first one. Just because it is canon does not make it good.

I liked both of the two reboots in the alternative universe.
 
andrewlathrop87 said:
I dont think you understand universe. Yes it all takes place around the same planets, ect.... but with the different events that happend caused by Nero and Spoke in the first reboot movie it caused a different result from the original star trek. Kirks father george kirk never died in the original in fact James T Kirks father lived to see James grow up and saw him graduate from Starfleet. That did not happen in the reboot george kirk died and never was there to raise james so automatically James life was altered 100%. Vulcan was blown up that never happened in the original. Spoke died in Wrath of Kan and later came back in the search for Spock. In "into darkness" they kind of tried to match the original but missed it by a mile Kirk died and then comes back.

You see its the same characters, but because of events in there lives they are different than the original. Because a Vulcan was destroyed it caused characters to change their ways. Its a different universe an alternate universe. The rebooted Star Trek is not Canon. They did it that way because it allowed the writers to go into a different direction. An idea that I never have agreed with.

Mushtang you saying its canon and the same universe is like saying Batman vs. Superman is the same universe and Christian Bale's Batman universe. Its laughable!!

In fact I loved my grandfathers trek. It was the best. It was all about diplomacy and ethical issues. It showed the best of the humanity and the human spirit. It showed everyone here in the 20th and 21st century that there is hope for Humanity in the future.

I dont have to see action and things blowing up to enjoy Star Trek. I will see this movie just because it is Star Trek, but I dont have to like it. I probably wont. I think 9 out of 10 people will agree on this with me that the music makes trek trek. This music in the reboots is just awful. Where is Jerry Goldsmith and James horner when you need them. Rest in peace Goldsmith and Horner.

I still have hope that the CBS trek coming in January will be canon.
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And I don't think you understand "canon". This isn't a movie created by a different studio that is borrowing on the idea, students that are making a film for a project, or somebody associated with the franchise putting out their own story line. This is a Star Trek movie made by the Star Trek people to be part of the Star Trek universe. It's absolutely canon.
 
Mushtang said:
And I don't think you understand "canon". This isn't a movie created by a different studio that is borrowing on the idea, students that are making a film for a project, or somebody associated with the franchise putting out their own story line. This is a Star Trek movie made by the Star Trek people to be part of the Star Trek universe. It's absolutely canon.
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They are not star trek people. The only people that are star trek people is Paramount Studios. The whole production team and people are new to Star Trek. After Enterprise was over in 2005 and Paramount and Vicom split in 2006 CBS got the tv rights and paramount kept the movie rights everyone associated with Star Trek was disbanded. Rick Berman was gone, brandon braga was gone, ect.. What Star Trek was is gone. For the reboot its all new people. They are trying to put Star Trek in their Image, not Roddenberrys image.

Just like the Marvel and DC movies they are made to make a ton of money. Its Bang Bang Shoot'em movies. That is what people want. That model works currently. I dont like Star Trek in that category. Its wrong for what Star Trek stands for. I rather have a lower budget Trek movie that has less CGI but be more like the its roots. But for the studios now days that try to make a home run every time a movie is made. To do that they are compromising what star trek is. It works for comics and star wars, not Trek!!

Read this article! https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/levar-burton-calls-jj-abrams-star-trek-darkness.html

Mushtang:
If you cant respect a seasoned Star Trek actor that take it somewhere else.
 
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It is certainly canon. Canon of its timeline/ universe.

I also prefer the prime universe, but the new stuff is canon as well.
 
markkoelsch said:
It is certainly canon. Canon of its timeline/ universe.

I also prefer the prime universe, but the new stuff is canon as well.
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Well duh its the same characters, same earth, same federation. But its an alternate time line. Its a different universe. When I mean a different universe I dont mean an actual different universe. There is only one universe. The story and the events of each character is different.

In TNG captian picard was always concerned about affecting the timeline. By nero going back into the past his presence there and his actions altered the timeline and forever changed the course of canon. As a result, a new time line and universe unfolded. Not canon. Well sure if they made more movies and more tv shows in the JJ Abrams universe then it will be its own canon. I am okay with that but it is not in the same category of canon as gene roddenberrys trek.
 
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andrewlathrop87 said:
Well duh its the same characters, same earth, same federation. But its an alternate time line. Its a different universe. When I mean a different universe I dont mean an actual different universe. There is only one universe. The story and the events of each character is different.

In TNG captian picard was always concerned about affecting the timeline. By nero going back into the past his presence there and his actions altered the timeline and forever changed the course of canon. As a result, a new time line and universe unfolded. Not canon. Well sure if they made more movies and more tv shows in the JJ Abrams universe then it will be its own canon. I am okay with that but it is not in the same category of canon as gene roddenberrys trek.
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It is canon as much as the prime universe/timeline. If you cannot acknowledge that then there is no point. Just because you do not like it does not keep it from being canon. Get over it.

The movie will be, and it will be good or not. Either way it is not really going to alter our universe- just another movie.

The new series will be in the JJ universe I do believe. I will not see it as it will be on the CBS streaming deal exclusively. I figure it will last a season and die due to this decision. If CBS had a brain they would put it in a prime 7 pm slot, and advertise the hell out of it.
 
https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/star-trek-tv-series-info/#:LTJFoXxob4u8pQ
markkoelsch said:
It is canon as much as the prime universe/timeline. If you cannot acknowledge that then there is no point. Just because you do not like it does not keep it from being canon. Get over it.

The movie will be, and it will be good or not. Either way it is not really going to alter our universe- just another movie.

The new series will be in the JJ universe I do believe. I will not see it as it will be on the CBS streaming deal exclusively. I figure it will last a season and die due to this decision. If CBS had a brain they would put it in a prime 7 pm slot, and advertise the hell out of it.
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you are wrong. The new series is gonna be canon set between the undiscovered country and tng. There is about 70 years of history that has not been told. Nicholas Meyer who wrote and directed wrath of Kaun and undiscovered country. CBS brought him on board because they want a seasoned star trek writer. Brian fuller was brought on board to. Her help write deep space 9 and voyager episodes. Gene Roddenberry;'s son gene Roddenberry Jr was brought on board as executive producer. That being said if cbs is bring all those guys in on the show why they hell would it be set in JJ Abrams universe? Answer me that!!!! You want proof on what I said look at this site.
 
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andrewlathrop87 said:
Mushtang:
If you cant respect a seasoned Star Trek actor that take it somewhere else.
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Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean you are allowed to tell me not to post here. Don't do that anymore.

The new movies are canon. The storylines are in the same universe. They are just on alternate timelines. Spock prime exists in both storylines so how can they not be the same universe?

These movies are being made by Star Trek people. It's a different movie studio but they have the rights to the story now.
 
Andrew, frankly who gives a rats ass? So, I am wrong about the show- whoopee. I still will not see it due to the CBS decision to show on their streaming service.

I am working through watching all the television shows sequentially. I am on season five of Voyager. I miss the Gene/ Berman era- great shows and some excellent movies. I understand why Next Gen died in the movies- of their four movies I think that the only one that really hit on all cylinders was First Contact. The others were of various quality. I think that the first JJ movie caught a good balance and hit pretty well. The second one blew chunks- no fault of the cast- the story sucked. I have a bad feeling about this next one- as in it might really be titles Stat Trek- Dead and Buried.

I really hope that if this coming movie is as bad as their second one that Paramount fires the lot and stops making Trek movies for a decade or so. Give it a break until they have some good and original ideas.
 
About the "canon" thing:

Ultimately, it's canon if the owners of the franchise say it's canon.

However, the "JJ Special" movies shouldn't be considered canon because they horrifically violate pre-established canon. Changing the timeline doesn't cause "canon-violation." OK, fine, go back, tweak things, blow up Vulcan. Can still be considered canon. However, change major established facts of the universe (Enterprise manufactured on the ground, it operates underwater, communicators have hyperspace capability...) and you've crossed the line. Not canon, as far as I'm concerned.

Of course, I don't own the franchise. Sigh.
 
I have to agree with Burton in spirit. His opinion is largely correct, but Paramount chooses to do with Trek is on them. They choose to keep trek alive and moving forward by making a movie for the masses versus we true Trek fans. I accept it even if I do not always like it.

Still, it is his opinion, and is no more valid than yours or mine. I agree with him largely as I stated above.
 
andrewlathrop87 said:
I will to but with caution. It wont give me chills like Roddenberrys trek did.
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Gene Roddenberry's vision was one of a kind. One of his movies even led me to return to college to become an engineer. However, none of the early Star Trek movies were as entertaining as the two most recent movies. They are all just movies after all.
 
andrewlathrop87 said:
For me Star Trek is what I want Humanity to aspire to be one day.
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Amen! Except I gave up on that pipe-dream many years ago...call me cynical if you must.

Star Trek is socialist utopia at its most extreme, we wall live together and help each other for the greater good. Except you cannot ignore human nature, or you can if you want to, but it is what it is. Humans are opportunistic organisms, if not we would not have survived up until this point. That being said North Americans, US in particular have a system that is based on opportunity and has "worked" better, up to now than socialism, socioeconomic issues aside.

The proof is in the pudding, arguably both China and USSR tried and failed with socialist models which did not last as long, and it was opportunistic competitive markets that they used to subsidize them; communism/state capitalism debates aside.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to get up each day in order to help the greater good and have the state provide me with an equal lifestyle as my neighbours, but I don't see that happening anytime soon, if ever.
 
Steve Shannon said:
Gene Roddenberry's vision was one of a kind. One of his movies even led me to return to college to become an engineer. However, none of the early Star Trek movies were as entertaining as the two most recent movies. They are all just movies after all.
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+1

Used to watch the original series on black and white.

Watched all of the movies-once, only one I've seen more than that is IV the Return Home.

The newest two have great problems/villians that need taken care of. Enjoyed the action, however Kirk getting his b*** handed to him everytime he gets in a fist fight is not good.

Looking forward to the new one, just wished that JJ was still there.

Mike
 
Setting the new series between TUC and TNG allows them to drag in George Takai and maybe Nichelle Nichols and Walter Koenig for guest cameos in the debut episodes.
 

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