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For my own nostalgic reasons, this was my favorite company of all. I loved their motors. It is one of the few companies that I was actually around for to order from them directly. First marketed under the SSRS label. Shown is an F-50 and an E-30. Sometime around 1980-82 they changed the name to Crown. I ordered from them as late as 1986 although many places show they went out of business in 1984. First Composite motors I ever saw. Completely clean no smoke in the burn. Still fly one every now and then. As I mentioned before I never fly old motors and use the delays. Usually they don't work. Always use timers. The ones shown are an F-67, F-50 and the 24mm E-45. Below is a rare Crown G-99. Never shown in a catalog that I've seen. Check out the prices in the Catalog.

I flew a G-99 at Naram 22 in Lansing Michigan...Rocket had Nike smoke style payload section that spewed out marking chalk for smoke trail. First flight with that rocket was with an Enerjet F52, with blue and red chalk making a color changing smoke trail...Also noted at that launch, 2 stage, 3 D-12 cluster, 1st stage, single d12 upper with a Cineroc land in the pig sty, it had teeth marks on it, farmer found it, film and camera were intact thanks to Herb Desind's idea to cover the whole outside of the Cineroc with two layers of electrical tape!!!

SP - I flew the "G"
 
Some other stuff...The G50 was experimental faster burn white lightning propellant that never saw daylight in production...
F14 blackjack motor, F10 is a later one with plastic nozzle, E50 also later one with plastic nozzle....

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That's not a motor for flying in a model rocket. It's an Imp. Back in the day, little motors like this were used as spin and attitude control motors for sounding rockets such as Skylark. I won this one as a prize for a scale contest at Waltham Abbey Royal Gunpowder Mill, now a museum but formerly where, among other explosives, propellants for motors for a wide range of British rockets were manufactured.

Imps were made in various shapes and sizes. Here are some of them on display at the museum.
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That's not a motor for flying in a model rocket. It's an Imp. Back in the day, little motors like this were used as spin and attitude control motors for sounding rockets such as Skylark. I won this one as a prize for a scale contest at Waltham Abbey Royal Gunpowder Mill, now a museum but formerly where, among other explosives, propellants for motors for a wide range of British rockets were manufactured.

Imps were made in various shapes and sizes. Here are some of them on display at the museum.
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Kewl, I want some to play with, but that's not what I posted a picture of!!! Guess again...
 
All joking aside (like my motor silencer comment), pretty sure they're hybrid closures.
 
Yes, It is a head end igniter, for a Small AeroJet General JATO Rocket!!! (250lbs thrust, 18sec. burn...) Motor was destroyed in the AeroTech Fire...bummer, I wanted to try and fly it.
 
holycow, it's Scott Pearce!...I was at NARAM-22 and saw the G99 flight. I forgot about Herb Desind's Cineroc adventure until you mentioned it. Classic!!
 
Agreed with others that this thread has been facinating with the history that it contains. I grew up with the Space Shuttle, and only got into rocketry in the early '90s, so I didn't get to experience much of this. It's fun learning about it though!

I've got an AT G55-5T that I bought on a whim and never did find a rocket to put into. Plus, I've still got some small Apogee composite engines, D10, D3, and C4, along with about a dozen of the 10.5mm 1/4A BP's left.

Great stuff, cheers,
Martin Jay McKee
 
Jason,
Here is a little video that has you flying some of your rare motor.

[video=youtube;eO2NjFZV5Vc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO2NjFZV5Vc[/video]

It was a lot of fun that weekend.
Geoff
 
This item is a special igniter for the Sabre fin motor, built by ISP. Used in the Pegasus Launch Vehicle. Igniter used a special explosive cord to set it off. Very fast to give simultaneous ignition of the nine motors on the Pegasus fins.

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One of the more popular AT motors at the time was the 24 mm G42. Popular because it was priced to compete with black powder G's which were larger diameter. Was a bit wimpy for a G, but lighter and smaller than the equivalent BP G's so it had better performance.
 
One of the more popular AT motors at the time was the 24 mm G42. Popular because it was priced to compete with black powder G's which were larger diameter. Was a bit wimpy for a G, but lighter and smaller than the equivalent BP G's so it had better performance.

This motor was developed for use in special effects for Iron Eagle II, Starring Louis Gossett, Jr....
 
If I may bring this awesome thread back into the light...

Many of you probably knew about Ron Urinsco. I met him at Black Rock back in the mid 90's when his EX motors were becoming fairly well known, and before he started the short-lived APS. His motors were always spectacular and reliable. The only cato I ever saw was his O in Jim Hart's rocket at Balls 005, which apparently was a hardware failure and nothing to do with the propellant. Anyway, here are a few that I would like to share.

His Redeye formula was one of the first red flame propellants out there, and it attracted a lot of attention in the 90's. Here's a 54mm load for a 1706 type case.

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He also had his low metals formula that he called "Standard." I have a long six grain 54mm L1400 here with AT closures and custom graphite nozzle by Ron.

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Ron also had a butt-kicking blue flame. I was lucky enough to fly one of these at LDRS 14. I no longer have it, but Ron lent me his custom reloadable hardware for these loads. I gave it back after the flight. I may make these two into single use motors...

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Here's a video taken from Kurt G's VHS from LDRS 14 of the flight. It's well worth noting that the rocket in the video ejected on Ron's motor ejection alone. No electronics! That's a younger me: )


But his Spitfire...oh man. It wasn't the first sparky to hit HPR, but it certainly remains one of the best to date. Here is a 54mm L load for the same case shown above:

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Very cool, thanks for sharing DeeRoc. Didn't HPR mag have a couple of ads for them? If I recall Ron's hardware was similar to Aerotech except for a square type thread?
 
Bob, yeah once APS got going we saw ads in the magazine. By that time Ron and his partner's had made their purple and gold hardware with acme-type threaded closures and graphite nozzles. All the loads I showed in my previous post were from the pre-APS time.
 
Working with Dunkel and APS pretty much ruined rockets for Ron.
But Dunkel ended up being his own worse enemy.
 
Cool stuff, Derek!!! Urinsco had some pretty neat stuff...unique for its time!!! The original Spitfire...oh yeah! The first sparky I saw burned was a Urinsco/APS Spitfire...dense black smoke, slow and long burning, with the occasional spitting and sputtering flame. It was so sweet; left an impression on me!

I've flown a few APS motors, and have a bit of their hardware. XPS Rocketry is selling hardware that is essentially APS hardware with different colored anodizing. A superior design for threaded closures!

Working with Dunkel and APS pretty much ruined rockets for Ron.
But Dunkel ended up being his own worse enemy.

Definitely a shame that things transpired as they did. A lot of hopeful people were disappointed...and a lot of people ended up with hardware with no certified loads for them!

Bummer!
 
Yeah, I thought it was unusual that they seemed to come on strong based on ads in HPR, then nothing at all. To the extent anyone wishes to share, what happened to them?
 
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