Looking for a V2

Jackball74 · Nov 14, 2015

Are there any low-power kits currently available around the size of the Estes Maxi Brute?

Zeus-cat · Nov 14, 2015

Estes makes one (EST 3228). On sale for 19.99 at eRockets.

tab28682 · Nov 14, 2015

Jackball74 said:
Are there any low-power kits currently available around the size of the Estes Maxi Brute?

None that I know of that is light enough to fly on a D motor....

tab28682 · Nov 14, 2015

Zeus-cat said:
Estes makes one (EST 3228). On sale for 19.99 at eRockets.

That one is only about 2/3 the size of the Maxi Brute.

But, it is easily available.

rharshberger · Nov 14, 2015

US Rockets makes a very nice 2.6" V2, quality parts and iirc balsa plywood fins.

samb · Nov 14, 2015

Jackball74 said:
Are there any low-power kits currently available around the size of the Estes Maxi Brute?

No. The LOC PK-57 is the closest (4 in.) wood/paper kit, although not LPR. The rest are fiberglass in that size or above.

Jackball74 · Nov 17, 2015

Thanks for the feedback!

tab28682 · Nov 17, 2015

One of my long term projects is to make fiberglass molds of the Max Brute V-2 nose cone and tail cone and fin moldings and make fiberglass parts for my own use that are extremely light. Hoping for about 1/3 the weight of the stock Estes parts for the nose cone and tail cone. The fiberglass fins will not be all that much lighter than the vac formed plastic fins.

This weight reduction will bring a MB V-2 clone noticeably improved performance on 24mm D motors and even better performance on 24MM E and F motors. The Maxi Brute V-2 tail cone is amazingly heavy in stock form.

Jackball74 · Nov 19, 2015

tab28682 said:
One of my long term projects is to make fiberglass molds of the Max Brute V-2 nose cone and tail cone and fin moldings and make fiberglass parts for my own use that are extremely light. Hoping for about 1/3 the weight of the stock Estes parts for the nose cone and tail cone. The fiberglass fins will not be all that much lighter than the vac formed plastic fins.

This weight reduction will bring a MB V-2 clone noticeably improved performance on 24mm D motors and even better performance on 24MM E and F motors. The Maxi Brute V-2 tail cone is amazingly heavy in stock form.

Interesting - will any of these components be available for purchase?

Brent · Nov 19, 2015

Even if they were slightly more heavy the details that the Maxi Brute V2 had would be nice to see on a 29 mm model.

tab28682 · Nov 19, 2015

Jackball74 said:
Interesting - will any of these components be available for purchase?

Probably not, as Estes still has molds and the parts belong to them....not right to copy existing parts for resale.

More for my own use.

dpower · Nov 22, 2015

FWIW, the Maxi-Brute V2 and Pershing flew poorly on a D12, and were prone to crash being so under powered. They really needed at least an E18 to fly well.

KenECoyote · Nov 22, 2015

Jackball74 said:
Are there any low-power kits currently available around the size of the Estes Maxi Brute?

It's nowhere near the size of a Maxi Brute, but I just wanted to mention that ASP makes LP V2s (13mm/18mm/24mm): https://www.asp-rocketry.com/ecommerce/ASP-Scale-Rocket-Kits.cfm?cat_id=8

KenECoyote · Nov 22, 2015

Also the Madcow V2 is 2.6", matching the Maxi-Brute and it is still LP since you can fly it on an F according to the Rocketry Warehouse website:
https://rocketrywarehouse.com/product_info.php?products_id=896
https://www.madcowrocketry.com/2-6-thin-wall-fiberglass-v2/

Sorry if this news is late, but Madcow had that one on special this past Friday. I have it from an earlier purchase and it's a very nice kit...includes a metal tip cone!

cwbullet · Nov 22, 2015

I would look here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Polecat-Ae...d-Model-Rocket-Kit-/262146930018?#description

tab28682 · Nov 22, 2015

dpower said:
FWIW, the Maxi-Brute V2 and Pershing flew poorly on a D12, and were prone to crash being so under powered. They really needed at least an E18 to fly well.

Exactly the reason I want to do a much lighter version of the Maxi Brute V2.

samb · Nov 23, 2015

KenECoyote said:
Also the Madcow V2 is 2.6", matching the Maxi-Brute ...

The Estes Maxi V2 (#1267/#1952) used a 10.5 inch length of BT-101, approx. 3.9 inch outside diameter. The Madcow and the current Estes V2 kit (#3228) are BT-80 based with the 2.6 inch O.D.

KenECoyote · Nov 23, 2015

samb said:
The Estes Maxi V2 (#1267/#1952) used a 10.5 inch length of BT-101, approx. 3.9 inch outside diameter. The Madcow and the current Estes V2 kit (#3228) are BT-80 based with the 2.6 inch O.D.

My mistake...I did a quick search and found this review of the "Maxi Brute V2" which noted BT-80/2.6 inch body tube: https://www.rocketreviews.com/estes-maxi-brute-v2-kevin-mclaughlin.html

How about a sport scale scratch using the Mega Der Red Max? It's 4" bt and made for F/G motors.

KenECoyote · Nov 23, 2015

Here's one...files on F+, 4" diameter: https://www.polecat-aerospace.com/c...oduct_id=48#product-details-tab-specification

Specifications
4" Diameter
2’-8" Tall
3 lbs
Motor Mount Size
38mm, 54mm
Motor Size
"F" through "K" impulse motors
Deployment
Single
Included Features
Fiberglassed Airframe, pre-slotted
Fiberglass Nosecone
Laser cut Baltic Birch Fins and Centering
Rings
Tough through the airframe fin construction
9/16" Tubular Nylon recover cord
1/4" Delrin Rail Buttons
Necessary hardware
Instructions
Recomended (not included)
Motor retainer
30" to 45" nylon main parachute
12" chute protector

Brent · Nov 23, 2015

cwbullet said:
I would look here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Polecat-Ae...d-Model-Rocket-Kit-/262146930018?#description

Chuck you are tempting me to replace the one that was lost in the woods for all those months.

WillMarchant · Nov 23, 2015

https://www.v2rocket.com/start/scale/models.html is the page I go to for info on V-2 models. But I think the relevant flying models have already been mentioned in this thread.

tab28682 · Nov 23, 2015

KenECoyote said:
Also the Madcow V2 is 2.6", matching the Maxi-Brute and it is still LP since you can fly it on an F according to the Rocketry Warehouse website:
https://rocketrywarehouse.com/product_info.php?products_id=896
https://www.madcowrocketry.com/2-6-thin-wall-fiberglass-v2/

Sorry if this news is late, but Madcow had that one on special this past Friday. I have it from an earlier purchase and it's a very nice kit...includes a metal tip cone!

E and F and G motors are considered to be mid power and not low power. The OP did post in the LP forum.

As marginal as it was on a D, the Maxi Brute was and is the only game in town for a 4" diameter kit low power V2.

I have seen some decent if very low flights of Maxi Brute V2 models on D12. If the builder got heavy handed with the glue, added a lot of paint and primer and improved the rocket with a heavier fabric chute, etc, what little performance margin it had on a D12 under ideal conditions quickly went away.

It's biggest problem is not the size, but the weight.

KenECoyote · Nov 23, 2015

tab28682 said:
E and F and G motors are considered to be mid power and not low power. The OP did post in the LP forum.

Sorry...I was posting after searching for "Recent" threads. I did earlier mention 13mm/18mm/24mm V2s as well. Also it seems tough to find a 4" rocket that flies off LP, so it seems many are listed as LP or 4".

What about...

cwbullet said:
I would look here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Polecat-Ae...d-Model-Rocket-Kit-/262146930018?#description

That flies on I-M motors! :wink:

bob jablonski · Nov 23, 2015

I know a vendor that has the Estes and LOC V2's with free shipping for Black Friday weekend

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